Talk:Mykhail Semenko

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On 6 January 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Mykhaylo Semenko to Mykhail Semenko. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 6 January 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 14:47, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mykhaylo Semenko → Mykhail Semenko – The two most WP:COMMONNAMEs in reliable sources are Mykhail and Mikhail (respective Ukrainian and Russian romanizations of Михайль, which is spelled identically in both languages), per Google Books Ngram.

The variation Mykhail is preferable because it is:

Based on Ukrainian orthography
Corresponds to WP:UKR and the Ukrainian national romanization
Corresponds to the modified Library of Congress romanization used in academic and popular-academic publications and bibliographies
Distinguishable from the common Russian given name Mikhail (Михаил)

—Michael Z. 18:13, 6 January 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 11:26, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~oppose~~ 'Mykhaylo' meets all those criteria—blindlynx 02:02, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mykha*lo with -o instead Mykha*l’ is the less-used version of the subject’s name, and the WP:UKR, national, and LOC systems would romanize either with i for й, not y. —Michael Z. 03:28, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

fair, transliterating the russian version through Ukrainian still feels weird though—blindlynx 15:55, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is it? Ukrainian Wikipedia calls him uk:Михайль Семенко. I will look at some sources. —Michael Z. 16:21, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

'Михайло' is the standard Ukrainian version, the Ukrainian spelling of 'Михайль' is 'Михаїл'—blindlynx 16:30, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

not of this name but of the name in general—blindlynx 16:31, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I’m aware, but this appears to be a distinct variation from either modern Ukr. Михайло My·khaĭ·lo), historical Ukrainian Михаїл (My·kha·ïl) or Rus. Михаил (Mi·kha·il), all having three syllables.

It has two syllables, spelled Михайль in both languages (Ukr. My·khaĭlʹ, Rus. Mi·khaĭlʹ).

Still to check other sources. —Michael Z. 17:50, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Found these:

Selena Daly (2018), Handbook of International Futurism.[1]
Mykhail (Mykhailo Vasylovich) Semenko

Mykhail’ Semenko
Oleh S. Ilnytzkyj (2016), Routledge Encyclopedia of Modernism[2]
Semenko, Mykhail’ [Семенко, Михайль]
Ivan Katchanovski, Zenon E. Kohut, Bohdan Y. Nebesio, and Myroslav Yurkevich (2013), Historical Dictionary of Ukraine[3]
SEMENKO, MYKHAIL
(2012), Princeton Encyclopedia of Poetry and Poetics, 4th ed.
G. G Grabowicz and M. G. Rewakovicz, “Ukraine, Poetry of”: Mykhail Semenko

G. J. Janacek, “Futurism”: Myxajl Semenko
Irene Rima Makaryk and Virlana Tkacz eds. (2010), Modernism in Kyiv: Kiev/Kyïv/Kiev/Kijów/Kiev: Jubilant Experimentation.[4]
Mykhail Semenko

[And see esp. his poem “Self-Portrait,” p 185, and commentary there, which refers to the name’s phonetics with “Mykhailʹ Semenko”]
2004, Getty Research Union List of Artist Names gives only one name, based on reference to MoMA (many artists have several versions citing multiple sources):[5]
Mykhailo Semenko
Andrew Wilson (2022 [2000]), The Ukrainians: Unexpected Nation, 5th ed., Yale University Press.
137: Mykhailo Semenko
Paul Robert Magocsi (2010 [1996]), A History of Ukraine: The Land and its Peoples, 2nd ed, University of Toronto Press.
581: Mykhail (Mykhailo) Semenko
Bohdan Kravtsiv (1993), Internet Encyclopedia of Ukraine[6]
Semenko, Mykhailo (Mykhail’)
Orest Subtelny (2009 [1988]), Ukraine: A History, 4th ed., University of Toronto Press.
396: Mykhailo Semenko

Updated. —Michael Z. 22:37, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The poem in Makaryk and Tkacz 2010:185 is the clincher for me, indicating that Mykhaĭlʹ is the artist’s own chosen name, as evidenced in his Ukrainian poem, “Self-Portrait”:

                                                          Khailʹ seme nkomy
                                                          Ykhailʹ kokhailʹ alʹse komykh
                                                          Semenko mykh mykhailʹse menko
                                                          O semenko mykhailʹ!
                                                          O mykhailʹ semenko!

—Michael Z. 22:49, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination and detailed additional research. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:38, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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