Talk:My-Otome

Episode Summaries

I'm not sure that an ongoing commentary on each episode as it airs is appropriate for an encyclopedia article, a basic outline of the story is all that is required. Shiroi Hane 12:07, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

It is hard to make a basic outline of a story that has only started. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aewheros (talk • contribs) 20:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC).

Right now, the details section is pointless and unneccessary. Maybe we should try an episode-by-episode summary until the series is completed. Example: Episode 1: The kingdom of Windbloom is under attack. Amidst the chaos, a woman places a baby - presumably the princess of the kingdom - into a basket, where she's taken down river. The baby wears a mysterious pendant. 15 years later, Arika Yumemiya arrives in Windbloom and meets Nina Wang. Nina is the top member of the Coral Class (first-year students) at the academy and balks at the idea of Arika joining. Arika also meets Nina's adopted father, Sergei Wang. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.170.83.64 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC).

Perhaps that section should be removed completely. In the article for My-HiME, there is no such section. 69.170.83.64 00:07, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed the episode summaries. The article looks neater now, IMO. --Shimei 08:22, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I agree that it looks better now. 69.170.83.64 04:11, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Second season of My HiME?

I am not sure we can call it a second season, if the only common thing is the character design. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 16:25, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Spoiler warning, blah blah. Episode 6 (I think) makes reference to Earth as another planet. If this indeed is some colony, then this show is definetly not set in 'an alternative universe', but rather 'in future'. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 01:24, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

If that was the case.. why would there be another Mai, another Mashiro, another Midori etc? Shiroi Hane 11:36, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Reincarnation is a common device in mahou shoujo. See Sailor Moon for a reference. I think this is also a case of it being in the future of the My-HiME universe rather than a completely different one, with history repeating itself. It's more "romantic" that way and likely something the writers thought of. Xuanwu 16:51, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

remember whan miyu said to someone that arika was a descendant of alyssa searrs?

I think when we saw Miyu's OS it was confirmed that this is the future, afterward she also made the reference that she'd been around for a long time.

just because it's in the future of Mai-hime dosen't make it the second season, it's really more of a spin-off, like the Universal Century gundams. As such that should be corrected.Hentai Jeff 03:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

It's not even really in the future of Mai-HiME. It was never definitely and unambiguously confirmed. So, for all intents and purposes, it's not a sequel, it's an alternate universe spin-off. - Sikon 03:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

At the same time it's not definitely and unambiguously confirmed that it's an alternate universe. as such what's up on the page right now is not accurate either.Hentai Jeff 22:38, 16 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hentai Jeff (talk • contribs)

It does state quite clearly on the collectors's box set "Sequel series to My-HiME"Winterdenni (talk) 14:27, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Character Organization

I reorganized the characters based on their affiliated country/institution and rank so it's easier to read (it's pretty much a copy of how the Japanese page is organized). BTW: I have no idea if "Aswad" is the correct spelling of the organization, the katakana doesn't really help. --Shimei 06:43, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

The term Meister Otome is used in the article but the term is never explained. Starks 07:07, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Maybe the pear and coral otome characters should be reorganized into countries also, given the events that have taken place in the latest episodes (war/graduation/promotion to pearl). The pillars and special characters (eg. Nao, Arika) could have a link (up to their paragraph on the page) placed in their contries section. --fabs 05:31, 07 February 2006 (UTC)

General article quality

I'm worried about the general article quality, there seems to be a lot of fluff in the article that has very little practical use for a random viewer. There seems to be little point in listing all the characters in the series with information, and also the story section seems to be patched together by several contributors without anybody ever bothering to see that the text is consistent with itself. That section is in need of a major rewrite, how about reducing it to a minimum for at least until the series itself is complete to avoid this from happening again? Also the episode listing article should be merged with this one, there's little point in keeping it separate. --130.232.134.251 14:09, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree that the episode-by-episode summary is rather pointless. I think it should be reduced to a plot synopsis for now and a summary of the overall plot should be added when the series finishes. However, I think the character list should be kept because it contains some information that's not shown in the actual epsiodes. --Shimei 01:43, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

As I said at the top, a blow-by-blow account of each episode as it airs is the reserve of blogs, not encyclopedia articles. I see nothing wrong with a list of characters nor with fleshing them out as information becomes available, although all the "this characters hasn't appeared yet but I think they will" "they're rumoured to appear next episode" "they will appear next episode" stuff is a little pointless. Shiroi Hane 02:11, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Mai/My

I've been wondering for some time whether the article name shouldn't be My-Otome to match with My-HiME; when licensed the official title is likely to follow suit after all, and the URL of the official site uses "my" (as did the site for My-HiME). Shiroi Hane 11:36, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

That seems reasonable to me. I started the article with "Mai" because that's the "correct" romanization of the character, but (as you said) the official site ignores it anyway. I suppose it has some pun value too. --Shimei 01:27, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I moved the article from Mai-Otome to My-Otome. I've replaced the instances of "Mai-Otome" in the article and fixed the redirects. Sorry in advance if I didn't catch some. :P --Shimei 08:33, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

I disagree with you somewhat. Does this mean that the use of "Mai" in the URL of the Biglobe and TV Tokyo sites are wrong? The kanji is "mai", you can't escape that fact. It's all a matter of preference. At least include a reference to "Mai-Otome" as an acceptable spelling. Lots of titles get changed or mixed up when they come over to America. A recent example would be Chrno Crusade which was changed to Chrono Crusade. Until we get an official Bandai DVD for 舞-HiME Vol.1, lets keep references to both spellings in the article. If the "Aa! Megami-sama!" article can retain references to the different spellings, why can't this one? By the way, if you wanted my creditials as a reliable source of information, I am the 舞-乙HiME raw provider and part of the QC team for Doremi. Starks 08:13, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

In all fairness Mai means dancing and isn't really a reference to Mai herself. The original series title therefore literally translated as Dancing Princess (in both series combat is often reffered to as Dancing).

The official site is my-zhime.net. Mai, the character, has not even appeared in this series so far and despite her being the main character in HiME the official English title is My-HiME. So we have the official site and we have precedence. Shiroi Hane 18:34, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Would it be too much to ask if I could add "Mai-Otome is also a widely acceptable spelling." into the article? It couldn't hurt. Starks 21:14, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't have any problem with adding it in somewhere as a note (maybe the end of the intro paragraph). There are redirects for alternate spellings, so I don't think it's a big deal either way though. --Shimei 01:58, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I confirmed OP2 the other day but information is still scarce...

Can anyone help me dig up more info from 2ch and Japanese blogs? Starks 05:47, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

What kind of info are you looking for? --Shimei 08:00, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I keep hearing that the song is awesomely upbeat and I'm only finding chunks of vague information. I would like a confirmation as to whether "rino" was a backup singer for the song. Starks 08:24, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

As far as I know, Kuribayashi performed 'Crystal Energy' at a KimiNozo radio live event which CooRie was also a part of. I think rino performed a song together(don't know which one) with Kurinoco, but I don't believe she is actually involved with Crystal Energy itself. j1m 17:56, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't sure of who did what at the BLITZ performance. Starks 19:21, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Sergey, Sergei or Sergay?

I think I've seen all three spellings pop up in edits. Anyone know which spelling is official? --Shimei 04:24, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Sergay and Sergei... The official character image contradicts itself (http://www.my-zhime.net/character/img/img_p_sergei.gif) Starks 07:30, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

While it probably is meant to be Sergei, the image says Sergay and since I personally rate text higher than filenames when it comes to Japanese sites it's best to use that until anything more official comes to light (although bear in mind that Arika has been spelt at least two different ways on screen thus far..) Shiroi Hane 19:34, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I've only seen it spelled Arika in GEM sequences and on paperwork. Where do you see it spelled differently? Starks 19:55, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Technology or Glossary Section?

Would it be worthwhile to include a technology/glossary section for all the strange tech/terms that appear in My-Otome? Some examples are Otome HiME (Otome-type Highly-Advanced Materializing Equipment), GEM (Generable Enigmatic Matrix) and Slaves. --Shimei 00:46, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

We should make a comprehensive list of terms in here first before we start editing them into the article... Starks 08:46, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Translation needed for episode 17 title and confirmation for episode 18 title translation.

Ep 17: 蒼の舞／想い、散るとき ***TRANSLATION NEEDED***

Ep 18: ホワイトアウト (Whiteout)

Starks 10:10, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Arika's Meister Element

Whoever thinks that's a halberd, I believe that whatever conceptions of what a halberd is that you have are wrong! A halberd is an axe head on a long pole and is a two-handed weapon. See article on halberd. I'm just checking here because I'm not sure what her Meister Element is, but it is certainly not a halberd and I'm not going to edit it until I've clarified what weapon the Element is. --Robtf 06:54, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know, there is no historical equivalent to Arika's element. Simply calling it a sword would word since in general it's a dual-blade sword which expands into a very exotic lance. The only truely identifyable version of the element is the Sword of Akatsuki, which is basically a straight Dai-katana, or Great Sword/Two-Handed Sword. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.148.89.122 (talk) 00:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

No, no, no!

There are way too many damn spoilers on this page. A good description of each character's personality should be enough. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.185.180.39 (talk • contribs) 07:49, 5 February 2006 (UTC).

What you did was unnecessary, the article has a spoiler warning to begin with so removing the spoilers was unneeded. --Robtf 12:23, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Regarding profiles

Exactly how much should be inside the profiles? Because it could get a little ugly (And by that I mean large). Obviously not every detail should be inside but the most important ones but just how much? Should we include a relationship/Gems/masters part to lighten the load? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.149.172.194 (talk • contribs) 16:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC).

Because if we break it down more, then we wouldn't need huge chunky episode summaries or profiles and people can figure the 1 and 1 equals 2. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.149.172.194 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 5 February 2006 (UTC).

Erstin's section is beginning to look more like prose than profile at the moment.. Shiroi Hane 19:14, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Miyu Glear..

WTF ?? YGGDRASIL UNIT ?? i feel something strange about her , when she said something about slave like a "child" creature... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.124.92.234 (talk • contribs) 13:20, 23 February 2006 (UTC).

Changed MIYU's profile a bit, in 18, she actually says Merciful, she never did said Multiple. SoldierofDarkness 03:27, 13 March 2006 UTC

Yeah, sounds like from what she said she's not the same Miyu we know and love, but was made by some past princess named Alyssa Sears, with whom she had a relationship like in My-Hime. I was hoping she'd be the same, since that would have been awesome. Hopefully ep 23 will explain her back story. Xuanwu 16:56, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Sounded to me like it was the same MIYU as before, just the OS was renamed from Multiple to Merciful. Especially since she can control the Searrs Guardian Star.--24.10.191.19 07:04, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't know why people keep missing this but when Mashiro repaired MIYU near the end of Mai HiME the OS' name was changed to Merciful Intelligencial Yggdrasil Unit, this change of name is reflected in Mai Otome thus supporting the controversial "future timeline, same universe" theory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.148.89.122 (talk) 00:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Aswald Knights, regarding Lumen

Just a question, I was looking at his/her profile and it appears that his/her gender is not clear. I'm just looking for a confirmation or if there's something in the official website that says it's a guy or a girl. I was under the impression that it's a guy who just speaks like a woman. SoldierofDarkness 08:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Size

This article's gotten to the point where the edit page warns that it's larger than preferable. Do you think this article needs some work to reduce the bloat? Some anime pages split off the character list onto a separate article with a summary in the main article, maybe this is preferable here due to the large number of characters. Anyone have any other ideas? --Shimei 23:51, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes I think it's time to start cleaning up the place and giving each respectable major character their own articles, AKA those with the largest information at the moment. I've started with Arika and will add in pictures for others later as I have done with SHUFFLE! and hopefully someone else will take my work and upgrade it. --Nameless86 14:08, 18 March 2006

GEM names

I came up with some (very) rough GEM name translations for minor characters through little more than educated guesswork.. I'm surprised noone has come up with anything better yet. Shiroi Hane 02:33, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I was really dissapointed to see that, while we got some new materialize animations in the last couple of eps, they didn't show the full names of the gems, just the stone name itself. Shiroi Hane 02:55, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Alyssa...

So... Alyssa Searrs from My-HiME is Arika's ancestor. But Miyu was constructed by "My-Otome's version of Alyssa"? Huh? Am I missing something? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.47.249.99 (talk • contribs) 05:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC).

Nowhere is it said that Alyssa Searrs, Arika's ancestor, is from My-HiME. If we take it that My-Otome is an alternate universe as opposed to the future, then Arika's ancestor is My-Otome's Alyssa Searrs, not My-HiME's. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.229.220.89 (talk • contribs) 03:21, 8 April 2006 (UTC).

they hint it actualy. its strange that ppl that see anime first tim discover more the those who study itSno777 17:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

arika and alyssa look alike as wellSno777 17:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

even then. in episode 26 arikas hear starts glowing yelow. do you need more profe tell me and i'l watch the series for a second time. Sno777 18:35, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Naming reference

Given the trend of the creators to word play various things like the names and such, does anyone has any information as to whether the name of "Garderobe Academy" has anything to do with a Garderobe of a Castle? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.127.101.205 (talk • contribs) 04:33, 20 March 2006 (UTC).

Literally garderobe means wardrobe, but if you think of it as being "guard"+"robe" itt maks sense, sincw Otome wear Robes and guard their masters. More prosaically you could say guarderobe is where robes are kept:p Shiroi Hane 18:45, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Annan

I'm curious on where did it ever mention that Ein Luu is also Nguyen Bao's daughter? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Bloodlust Kid (talk • contribs) 07:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)).

Juliet's Last Name

In episode 26, Juliet's GEM shows the initials J.N.G, not J.N.Z - so her last name would not be Zhang. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.229.220.89 (talk • contribs) 03:25, 8 April 2006 (UTC).

I'd consider that a spelling error. The official website spells her name "Juliet Nao Zhang." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.30.24.244 (talk • contribs) 04:00, 8 April 2006 (UTC).

"Aswald Knights?"

I'd like to ask, where did the idea that they were knights come from? And why do you insist on using the old discarded Doremi gibberish translation "Aswald" instead of the already officially confirmed (as of an article in Megami magazine) term "Aswad" (Arabic for black)?

Nowhere in any official material from Japan are they called knights. The closest thing as to this title is that on the Japanese wikipedia article they are refered to as "envoys of the Black Valley," and that does not contain any shred of evidence that they have knighthood.

Furthermore on the issue of the Aswald name, I bring to attention that Aswad is the official name and that wikipedia is supposed to be an online encyclopedia. In order to keep the information encyclopedic, we should use official terms and not just terms for which you have preference. Otherwise, we are only fueling the fire for those who don't trust wikipedia as an info source because of the user ability to edit articles. --Robtf 06:39, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Manga? (Possible spoilers)

Should we expand on some of the differences of the manga within this article, make a new article for both the MH and MO mangas, or just keep it as "very different storyline" and leave those who want to know about it to search out the information themselves? --WarpObscura 02:59, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

The only thing I know about the manga is that Mashirou is a guy in drag. If the storylines are different enough and someone has enough data to create a seperate My-Otome (manga) page then I see no problems with doing so, otherwise a few mentions of the differences where relevant should be fine. Shiroi Hane 12:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, to (disjointedly) list some of the differences (Spoilers, naturally... Anyone know if we need spoiler warnings on talk pages?)

There are two Mashiros. The original female one, who gets assassinated at the start (apparently *hint*), and this fellow, our protagonist, who takes up her identity.

Arika is already a member of Garderobe at her first appearance

Haruka is not an Otome

Natsuki still has her mother around and Alyssa is her younger sister

Akira is an Otome, protecting Takumi (already mentioned in the article)

Rad (not Reito, but Rad the cyborg) is Arika's father and Rena is alive at her first appearance, unlike the anime where she was already dead

No mention of the Valkyries

No Mikoto cats

Mikoto the human is an antagonist

Mai the HiME and Kagu appear as enemies, while Mai the Fire String Ruby is nowhere to be seen yet

Fuuka Academy and the HiMEs from the MH manga have been summoned to fight their Otome counterparts

That would be most of the major ones. Anyone else who wants to help complete the list, go ahead. :) --Warp L. Obscura 05:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Heh, opposite of MH then where Haruka was a HiME in the manga but not in the anime. Fuka academy does make an appearance in the anime mind. Shiroi Hane 14:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Manga page created at My-Otome (manga). I beseech anyone else who knows about the manga to help fill in the blanks, like Sergay's name (it isn't Wang/Wong, not in the manga no.) --Warp L. Obscura 07:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

"Kazuya's Death"

I downloaded the special and I don't see the "replayed" part where Kazuya died. So I'm considering on deleting that segment in Trivia unless someone knows where I can see the clip.

The Five Pillars

I'm going to group the five pillars into their own section so people know who they are. Seiya 19:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

OVA

So, when is the OVA release date, to be more specific?

according to Anime News Network (ANN) it's 11-24-2006 the day after thanksgiving for Americans like me (as well as tomorrow from this post)

So, now that the first episode has been released, we should probably make a page for it right? Linkforlife 22:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Names

As a refresher for those who may be new here, we are using official spellings taken from the official site, artbooks, onscreen text etc., e.g. in case of Sergay Wáng see [1], [2], [3], and [4]. Shiroi Hane 17:10, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Shrinking

The article is too big, according to the article size policy. Please, if there is a main article, transfer information to that and optimise the supercondensation in this article to as brief as possible. If there is not, Be Bold, pick a character of importance (like, say, Midori) and make one. --Warp L. Obscura 15:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Seperation of characters list

Since the list of characters is very long I decided to split them into a seperate article. Diabound00 11:12, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Slave, Gem, etc

I've seen Slave, SLAVE, and slave in the same article, all refering to the same thing. We need to decide on a universal spelling that will be used on all Otome related pages. Are there any official spellings seen in the show? Linkforlife 16:54, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

New GEM names!

I have some more English GEM names for a bunch of the Otome. They come from the newly released My-HiME & My-Otome Figure Special book, making them official:

Mahya Blythe - Swirling Dance Fluorite (伶踊の蛍石 Reiyō no Botaruishi)

Laula Bianchi - Flowery Splendor Enstatite (絢爛の頑火輝石 Kenran no Gankakiseki)

Anh Lu - Infinite Wisdom Azurite (慧命の藍銅鉱 Emyō no Randōkō)

Rosalie Claudel - Abyssal Green Jadeite (深淵の翡翠 Shin’en no Hisui)

Carla Bellini - Rumbling Thunder Garnet (雷鳴の柘榴石 - Raimei no Zakuroishi)

Yukariko Steinberg - Dazzling Mirage Lapis Lazuli (幻惑の瑠璃 Genwaku no Ruri)

Fiar Grosse - Excel Elegance Chalcedony??? (could be wrong translation, chalcedony is gyokuzui in japanese) (塊麗の縞瑪瑙 Kenrei no Shimamenō) Saintvlas22 16:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Zwei

My-Otome Zwei article created, please help. --Warp L. Obscura 04:54, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Into the powered exoskeleton page?

Should I bother putting a mention of Otome Robes into the powered exoskeleton page or isn't it worth it or does most people think they aren't powered armor?

Wasn't the explanation for Otome armor that they're materialised from the inside out, by nano-machines?

Materialization is never explained as hammerspace, inner space or some other space and its never stated (so far as I'm aware) how the nanites actually work. Since the Robes are technically powered armor I was wondering if I should list in the powered exoskeleton page under manga examples since Gantz and Spriggan are listed.

Mai Otome Otometic

Erm.. some relation to Mai Otome, a real life entertainment show featuring Mai Otome 219.74.39.27 22:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

similar

episode 17 i my otome and epsidode 20(i think) of my hime ar similar. both animes are so similar that only names, looks, place and alitle of the story line make the diferentSno777 13:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Shounen?

Why is this show described as Shounen? It doesn't fit many of that genrés steroetypes & it was advertised prominently in Shoujo magazines in Japan.Winterdenni (talk) 14:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

missing redirects

• 舞乙姫 (Mai-Otohime)
• 舞乙女 (Mai-Otome)
• Mai-Otohime
• My-Otohime

-these do appear on the internet as various ways of naming this. 70.51.8.110 (talk) 23:26, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

see wiktionary wikt:乙姫 wikt:乙女 wikt:乙 wikt:姫 wikt:女.