Talk:My, Oh My (The Wreckers song)

Requested move 8 April 2015

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The result of the move request was: renamed page to My, Oh My (The Wreckers song); made My, Oh My redirect to My Oh My without the comma; updated the disambiguation page accordingly. Harej (talk) 14:44, 21 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My, Oh My → My Oh My (The Wreckers song) – My Oh My (Aqua song), My Oh My (Girls' Generation song), My Oh My (Sad Café song), My Oh My (Chantay Savage song), My Oh My (Slade song). In ictu oculi (talk) 07:32, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom, the current title should be a disambiguation page -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 10:34, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, per WP:DIFFPUNCT. These titles may look similar, but readers are not likely to type in an extra comma in exactly the right place just by accident. The eigenvector (talk) 13:52, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Striking !vote Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kauffner as c-banned. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:28, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support My, Oh My (The Wreckers song) per User:BDD, per WP:DIFFPUNCT which also reads, "While each name in such a pair may already be precise and apt, a reader who enters one term might in fact be looking for the other, so use appropriate disambiguation techniques." In this case there is more than a pair and the nomination is for appropriate disambiguation per WP:NCM. It also looks like a disambig page is required. --Richhoncho (talk) 19:30, 9 April 2015 (UTC). Amended, --Richhoncho (talk) 14:02, 16 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- "Appropriate disambiguation" could be interpreted as a hatnote. It doesn't necessarily require an ugly parenthetical. The purpose of a title the to tell the reader the name of an article's subject. Other reference works don't use disambiguators. They exist on Wikipedia only because of the peculiarities of our software. The eigenvector (talk) 03:06, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In which case what solution do you have for instances like this where several items have exactly the same name? --Richhoncho (talk) 11:10, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Allmusic keeps track of entries by adding some alphanumeric gibberish at the end of the URL.[1] On IMBD, the title doesn't even appear in the URL.[2] They give a year for every item. If that's not enough disambiguation, they add (I), (II), etc in small, faded type. American Heritage gives "coke¹" and "coke²,"[3] while Merriam-Webster gives "¹coke" and "²coke."[4] In short, I don't see anyone else using disambiguators or anything similar. The eigenvector (talk) 04:31, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There are supportable reasons to separate the URL and the title, as you have shown above, but WP isn't set up like that. I am not sure it is practicable for WP to change (what happens to every blue link?). The concept will have been raised a few times over at technical, but if you do, let me know because I'd like to think about it more. In the meantime, we have to consider the article title (which generates the URL) and "an ugly parenthetical" is much better than a bunch of confused readers. --Richhoncho (talk) 07:34, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The guidelines suggest parenthetical disambiguation as a last resort: "Natural disambiguation is generally preferable to parenthetical disambiguation" (WP:NCDAB). Just because you have a hammer doesn't mean you have to nail everything down. When songs have the same or similar titles, I don't doubt that some readers are confused. Parentheticals are designed to prevent software conflicts. I doubt they are terribly effective at unconfusing the reader. If other sites can get along without them, they obviously aren't essential. The eigenvector (talk) 00:06, 13 April 2015 (UTC) [reply]

~~Support~~ Move to My, Oh My (The Wreckers song) (with a comma) per WP:DIFFPUNCT. Commas are not sufficient disambiguators. Steel1943 (talk) 00:58, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, redirect My, Oh My to My Oh My per my above statement. Steel1943 (talk) 04:15, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Steel1943. CookieMonster755 (talk) 04:10, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support disambiguation, as title is ambiguous and topic is not primary. 73.222.28.191 (talk) 06:22, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is just an oversight—we're not removing the comma from the title, are we? My, Oh My (The Wreckers song), right? The argument is that the comma is insufficient to disambiguate, not that it's incorrect. --BDD (talk) 03:14, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging In ictu oculi, Richhoncho, Steel1943, and CookieMonster755 about the above. --BDD (talk) 16:26, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@BDD: Good catch. I've changed my comment accordingly. Steel1943 (talk) 18:11, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fine by me, comma or no comma. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:18, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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