Talk:Muslims (ethnic group)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Slavic Muslims

When I first saw a link to this page, I expected it to be about Slavic Muslims, now I see it's just about Slavic Muslims in SFRY. The official designation, Muslims by nationality, though perhaps more awkward, is unambiguous. Nikola 17:02, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Rewrite

The old article was POV as it was pushing the Serb-Croat nationalist idea that Muslims are something invented in 1968, which were then renamed to Bosniaks.

We all know that Bosniak POV is that Bosniaks are a nation with 1000 years of tradition that were denied identity during 20th century, with a semi-recognition as Muslims since 1970s. I think I'll just skip all that and provide what's NPOV about the issue. Vedran 13:38, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The current version of this article is fine. With that in mind, I'll stop the edit war in articles for cities (Doboj, Br?ko, Bijeljina etc.) as long as it's clear that "Muslim as nationality" is what the people chose back then and that most of them today would be Bosniaks (since the number of non-Bosniak Muslims in Bosnia today is negligible). Vedran 15:55, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

*nods contently* --Joy [shallot]

Request for Comment: Ethnic group designation of "Muslims by nationality"

What's the argument?

Infoboxes are only reserved for ethnic groups as made really obvious by the code "{{Ethnic group|". The term "Muslim by nationality" is no more of an ethnic group than "Bosnians". Some documentation for evidence: [1] Muslim by nationality people were Torbesh, Bosniaks, etc.. who had no other choice but to register under this ethnic designation in Yugoslavia. So please, unless you can show me how "Muslims by nationality" is a distinct ethnic group with historical significance, do not re-add the infobox. 72.144.150.20 18:20, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments

Here are official 2002 census results in Serbia: http://webrzs.statserb.sr.gov.yu/axd/Zip/SN31.pdf You can see there that 19,503 citizens of Serbia declared themselves as Muslims by nationality. If they are not Muslims by nationality, what are they according to you? Aliens from another planet perhaps? PANONIAN (talk) 22:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, and here are official 2000 census from the United States: [2]. You can see that 20,625,093 citizens of the United States declared themselves as "Americans". Nonetheless, "Americans" is not an ethnic group by definition. Who are the "Muslims by nationality" you ask? It says directly in the article:

Muslims by nationality was a term used in Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia to describe mainly native Slavic Muslims. In connection to the national rebirth and awakening in Yugoslavia during the 1990s they are now officially historically recognized as Bosniaks, Gorani, Torbesh, etc.

Are they aliens? No, I don't think so ;) I do think you should follow WP:CIVIL. 72.153.53.193 17:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

First of all: THIS IS NOT ARTICLE ABOUT AMERICANS, but if you ask me about them, they are ethnic group too. Regarding your quotation from the article, you forgot to quote this: "However some people still consider themselves to be Muslims by nationality." Now we have the full picture, did we? So, I will ask you again: are they a Aliens? PANONIAN (talk) 18:13, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

HOW CAN EVERYONE BELONG TO ANY RELIGION AS 'NATIVE' ?? Any baby is atheist, is absurd to say 'native muslims', they become muslims.

I think it means they were born to "Muslim" parents. But I agree, "native" is probably not the correct word to use. Frvernchanezzz (talk) 07:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)