Talk:Music store
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utterly useless
[edit]Was this someone's highschool project? No relevance to anything. Look through the list of articles that link to this: it's a catch-all of every usage of the words "music store" — seemingly EVERY band, music label, gear brand, publisher, venue, television program, award, & WP editor (!!) who ever even ONCE typed out music store.
Yet there's all of four "references" proffered… three of which are online gear-sales sites. The last is a "Dummies"-style book on how to run a musical instrument store.
No; no way. This WILL be put up for deletion.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 19:13, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
- Your heading ("utterly useless") and your suggestion that this is a high school project seem to be contrary to WP:CIVIL. Thanks for your comments, otherwise. You make good points of the article's need for improvement. I will try to improve the article.OnBeyondZebrax • TALK 21:03, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
- Hi. Since I was last here, this… umm, "article," I guess… has bloated like a dead frog on sunny asphalt, fully doubled. The unsupported class-essay nonsense from 2017 remains unfounded. The addition of some big copyvio footnotes demonstrates a new & unhealthy form of merciless padding. And, of course, WP:WINAD: a verbose dictionary entry does not become magically encyclopedic. Some corrections will be made.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 16:21, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
- Hi. Since I was last here, this… umm, "article," I guess… has bloated like a dead frog on sunny asphalt, fully doubled. The unsupported class-essay nonsense from 2017 remains unfounded. The addition of some big copyvio footnotes demonstrates a new & unhealthy form of merciless padding. And, of course, WP:WINAD: a verbose dictionary entry does not become magically encyclopedic. Some corrections will be made.
- Sorry, forgot to point to clearly gruesome examples. At this minute, the most gratuitously ghastly is the Products section. It begins by attempting to sneak in the term general music store (used six more times in the article) without offering a credible source to explain WTF a "non-general" music store might be & therefore why they need to be differentiated in the first place. From there it becomes nothing but a fancruft list of lines & items that might at some point appear in a shop, IRL or virtual. (Imagine how much fun might be had over at Grocery store, let alone Big-box store.)
- Yes, having lived awhile in a proper city, I am aware that in years past there were dedicated "piano stores" & "drum stores" & "sheet-music stores." However, that is far insufficient to somehow define "general music store."
Weeb Dingle (talk) 17:04, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
- I now note that short shrift is given to the long-standing practice of shops (large & small) selling used instruments, whether these are taken in trade or bought outright or returned rent/lease instruments.
- As up through at least the '80s it was the elementary school trade (instrument leasing & sheet-music sales, along with strings & reeds & such bric-a-brac) that kept many small shops & regional chains alive — a point likely verified by the articles cited — trade in these items is highly significant. Another correction someone might take a whack at.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 17:23, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
- As up through at least the '80s it was the elementary school trade (instrument leasing & sheet-music sales, along with strings & reeds & such bric-a-brac) that kept many small shops & regional chains alive — a point likely verified by the articles cited — trade in these items is highly significant. Another correction someone might take a whack at.
- IMO the article has merit but needs a lot of work. The music products industry is fairly well-defined and has a history. I will work on finding references to support edits to address types of stores, applicable product categories, and some historical context.synthfiend (talk) 15:06, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
- To call it "utterly useless" seems at least accurate and likely kind. But it has what a realtor would call "good bones" and deserves to be made better. Looking over this article page, I see a significant problem that certainly calls it all to meticulous scrutiny. Namely, nowhere is there any mention of how such a business operates. The lede says the subject is a type of "retail business" then makes no tiny attempt to explain the term in-context or even link it to an enlightening article. Anyone who wishes to do actual work should, as is apparently said often, be bold. Attempt to find the following common terms: wholesale — distributor — margin — markup — overhead — inventory. Let alone foot traffic — marketing — advertising — equity. As well: If anyone can locate an article about musical instrument distributors – as Music industry avoids this topic – that is something that would be highly relevant here and in articles about companies such as St. Louis Music. Nkofa (talk) 16:43, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
- This article ought to focus exclusively on bricks-and-mortar operations — largely because there already exists plenty of content about E-commerce and Virtual business and Online shopping which clearly require less of resources, namely capital, sales ability, and industry knowledge. In the opening, it is conjectural about the "hybrid store" as for MANY YEARS large stores and chains maintained mail order services (Sears-Roebuck) and even small shops acted as catalog merchants interfacing with wholesalers/distributors. So just changing from USPS and paper checks to Internet is not noteworthy. Nkofa (talk) 17:05, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
- Agree; the online operations section is essentially just defining what a web store is without adding anything that's specific to the music retail industry. Nominating removing that section. Personally I'm struggling to see the merit of the article (as in, I feel articles on specific music stores might be sufficient), but I'm doing cleanup where I can and am happy to take on anything more specific. B3v3nt33n (talk) 21:33, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- This article ought to focus exclusively on bricks-and-mortar operations — largely because there already exists plenty of content about E-commerce and Virtual business and Online shopping which clearly require less of resources, namely capital, sales ability, and industry knowledge. In the opening, it is conjectural about the "hybrid store" as for MANY YEARS large stores and chains maintained mail order services (Sears-Roebuck) and even small shops acted as catalog merchants interfacing with wholesalers/distributors. So just changing from USPS and paper checks to Internet is not noteworthy. Nkofa (talk) 17:05, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
- To call it "utterly useless" seems at least accurate and likely kind. But it has what a realtor would call "good bones" and deserves to be made better. Looking over this article page, I see a significant problem that certainly calls it all to meticulous scrutiny. Namely, nowhere is there any mention of how such a business operates. The lede says the subject is a type of "retail business" then makes no tiny attempt to explain the term in-context or even link it to an enlightening article. Anyone who wishes to do actual work should, as is apparently said often, be bold. Attempt to find the following common terms: wholesale — distributor — margin — markup — overhead — inventory. Let alone foot traffic — marketing — advertising — equity. As well: If anyone can locate an article about musical instrument distributors – as Music industry avoids this topic – that is something that would be highly relevant here and in articles about companies such as St. Louis Music. Nkofa (talk) 16:43, 26 December 2019 (UTC)