Talk:Murder of Joey Fischer/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Jackyd101 (talk · contribs) 10:43, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi there, I have reviewed this article against the Wikipedia:good article criteria and although I am not quite prepared to pass the article for GA immediately, I don't think there is a long way to go. I have listed below the principle problems which prevent this article from achieving GA status.

The article now has seven days to address these issues, and should the contributors disagree with my comments then please indicate below why you disagree and suggest a solution, compromise or explanation. Further time will be granted if a concerted effort is being made to address the problems, and as long as somebody is genuinely trying to deal with the issues raised then I will not fail the article.

Should anyone disagree with my review or eventual decision then please take the article to WP:GAR to allow a wider selection of editors to comment on the issues discussed here. Well done on the work so far, this is a very impressive piece of work, well told.--Jackyd101 (talk) 10:43, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Issues preventing promotion

• It is reasonably well written.

  a (prose): b (MoS):

"and insisted Fischer return with her daughter." - this is unclear. Do you mean get back into a relationship?

• Rephrased to "redate her daughter". Let me know if you think this should be revised.

I think "date her daughter again" is clearer, but I'm happy to let it pass as is.--Jackyd101 (talk) 18:27, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

"The fortuneteller told her she was not able to do that," is unclear at start of new paragraph. Try "The fortuneteller told Cisneros she was not able to cast spells"

• Done

"troubled by what he did," should be "troubled by what he had done".

• Done

"As an 18-year-old, he enjoyed basketball" is a non sequitur (70 year olds can enjoy basketball too). I think you mean "At 18 years old, he . . ."

• Done

"and was more put together than the other boys at St. Joe" - what does put together mean? Is this a quote? Explain this more clearly.

• Quote from The New Yorker: "Joey may have appeared to Cristina’s mother, Dora Cisneros, to be a catch: he was an ambitious student from a good family, and he wasn’t wild, like many of the St. Joe boys." – How do you think I should rephrase it?

I think you should actually just quote the New Yorker.--Jackyd101 (talk) 18:27, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

"Cisneros, on the other hand, grew up in a well-off" - other hand of what? This phrase isn't being used properly here and should be eliminated.

• Removed.

"volunteered helped raised medical scholarships." - "Raise"

• Done

"Cristina said she never had sex with him, however" - "Cristina however said that she never had sex with him."

• Done

"They said they did not know the parties involved prior to this" - prior to what? Be precise.

• Fixed - "they did not know the Fischers or Cisneros."

• It is factually accurate and verifiable.

  a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

• It is broad in its coverage.

  a (major aspects): b (focused):

"curanderos offered works of white and black magic" - briefly explain that cuanderos are practitioners of "curanderismo"

• Done

• It follows the neutral point of view policy.

  a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

"In addition, Fischer was mostly attracted to Latina girls" this is synthesis and unsourced. All that is known is that he had a relationship with a Latina girl. Needs to be rephrased.

• I removed this altogether, but here is the quote from The New Yorker: "Joey was often attracted to the more Latina girls of the school. During his junior year, he asked out Cristina Cisneros, a sophomore."

If you quote the New Yorker directly you can put it back in.--Jackyd101 (talk) 18:27, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

"She was a well-respected member of the local medical community" - this implies she was a medical professional, but I don't think she was. Rephrase.

• Done – replaced "member" with "volunteer". Hope this helps.

"election hearing on Cisnero's and" - apostrophe

• Done

"soother sentence" - is this a technical term? Do you mean softer or reduced?

• Changed to "reduced"

"Future appeals and aftermath" - "further appeals" makes more sense here.

• Done

• It is stable.

  

• It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

  a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):

• Overall:

  a Pass/Fail:

• @Jackyd101: Thank you taking this review. I've made the suggested changes here. I think the article reads better now, so thank you for your suggestions. Let me know what you think about my rephrases and the bullet point regarding Fischer being "more put together" than the rest of the St. Joe boys. Cheers, MX (✉ • ✎) 13:27, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Great work - I've replied above, but this is basically ready to go! Nice article and sorry for the long wait.--Jackyd101 (talk) 18:27, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

@Jackyd101: Thank you! I added the two quotes. I really appreciate the suggestions you provided. MX (✉ • ✎) 20:46, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

You are welcome, its great work. Promoted.--Jackyd101 (talk) 21:20, 6 September 2017 (UTC)