Talk:Américas–Avenida Boyacá (TransMilenio)

Requested move 23 July 2019

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Moved to Américas–Avenida Boyacá (TransMilenio). See general agreement below to move away from the former name. Some sources use a spaced hyphen, some use an unspaced hyphen, some – like the national radio station – use an unspaced endash, which is the preference as noted below by MOS:DASH. If the title chosen is not believed to be correct, there will be no prejudice toward beginning a new RM to find the highest and best title for this article. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover) P. I. Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 00:49, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

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Mundo Aventura (TransMilenio) → Américas - Avenida Boyacá (TransMilenio) – station renamed 181.53.12.70 21:56, 23 July 2019 (UTC) --Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:30, 2 August 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Wug·a·po·des​ 19:25, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose until an actual rationale is articulated. Use the multi-RM template when several have similar issues, to waste less editor commenting time. Dicklyon (talk) 04:49, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Comment: @Dicklyon: I don't understand that of: «A rationale should be based on observation of sources making use of a new name, not just an official name change announcement»...

Because there are references: as Preste atención a los cambios en las rutas de TransMilenio (in Spanish), Cambios en TransMilenio: Estaciones con nuevo nombre y rutas recortadas (in Spanish) and many more here (in Spanish).

Now if the problem is to verify if they changed, then if they did, see from the official page,

• Américas - Avenida Boyacá: here (located in position 7 of the route) and
• Av. Suba Calle 116: here (located in position 6 of the route)

—181.53.12.70 06:45, 2 August 2019 (UTC) PD:Sorry if you don't understand well, I don't speak English well.

• Relisting comment - @181.53.12.70: please take a look at the WP:OFFICIALNAMES page. The point is that it is not enough to show that the official name has changed, you must also show that the common name in reliable sources has changed, since per WP:COMMONNAME policy, that is what we use to determined the article title. THanks  — Amakuru (talk) 16:30, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Comment: @Amakuru: Does not violate WP:OFFICIALNAMES. Is that they were changed on May 18, 2019 and there are also references cited of that same day. To search for information, from websites after the change, important events must occur at these stations (such as example: a fire or damage to the structure) so that there is "new data or news". For this reason, there isn't any. But they were renamed, because it is already corroborated. 181.53.12.70 (talk) 01:00, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

PD:These stations, have original names and not "common names" as you say, because they only have one specific name, they have no alternate names.

• Support Comment: sources per here, here and previous references.... Also, for everything already explained above. 181.53.12.70 (talk) 01:00, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support: Dicklyon, Amakuru, if the issue is verification in third-party sources, here it is in Colombia's biggest newspaper [1] and national radio station [2]. Although as I've stated before on these name changes, I don't think articles should exist for any of these TransMilenio stations, they're just not notable individually. Richard3120 (talk) 01:09, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

  Still oppose. Until we understand the structure here and figure out what to do with the spaced hyphen at least. Maybe Avenida Américas–Avenida Boyacá is the name? And if it's not notable, let sort that out; maybe a merge into a system article. Dicklyon (talk) 01:46, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: not sure what you mean by "the structure". I live in Bogota, and I suspect the nominator does too - the new station name does indeed have the hyphen in it. What would be the point of keeping the old name of the station if it's not actually called that anymore? Richard3120 (talk) 02:59, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

I mean that if that's structurally two avenue names, and per MOS:DASH we'd use an unspaced en dash, not a space hyphen, between them. Not clear why the first Avenue wasn't included in the proposal. Dicklyon (talk) 03:11, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

And if you take an example as in the Spanish Wikipedia? It would not be right. Now if enwiki policies do not allow separations on the sides of the script, then (Américas–Avenida Boyacá (TransMilenio)) it would be the right thing to do. --181.53.12.70 (talk) 03:42, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

PD: the first "Avenida" was omitted was for wanting to leave it similar to the eswiki article. I suppose there, they removed that name for being redundant or because that the title did look like an address.

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