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Five Points

Mulberry street ran below the Five Points, with the only road leading directly to it being Cross street. Also, even though this article claims differently, the true heart of the Five Points, were the points themselves, at Paradise Square. Should this claim in this article be changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.224.133 (talk) 22:24, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Most famous resident

Is Merle Allin really the street's most famous resident? It seems odd to mention Allin and no one else. Daly 07:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lefty a.k.a Lefty two guns a.k.a Half cock a.k.a Horse Cock was an italian mobster who lived all his life on mulberry street. He was potrayed by Al Pacino in the movie Donnie Brasco.

So add him in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.214.140 (talk) 18:17, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NY TIMES quote

see ProQuest Historical Newspapers: The New York Times with Index LITTLE ITALY IN NEW-YORK: OVER ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND OF THE MODERN LATINS HERE Only About 25,000 are Voters--The Most Honored Citizen "Who Might Be Boss Growth of the Race and Spread of Its Institutions-- Full List of Societies-- Many Benefit Organizations-- Many Chapels and Churches New York Times 31 May 1896: 32. ---- there is a short identical excerpt (giving an incorrect 1898 date) at Sabine Haenni (2008). The Immigrant Scene. p. 100. I can email the pdf file to anyone who asks me at rjensen@uic.edu Rjensen (talk) 03:24, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's odd that I can't find it on the Times archive using any of the keywords in the article, or even with the full name of the article: [1]. or its subtitles [2]. How accurate is the ProQuest database, generally speaking? Is it a certainly that it's the Times that's being referred to, and not, say, the Tribune, the Herald or one of the other bazillions of papers that NYC had at the time? The book is, presumably, working from the ProQuest source, so I don't put that much weight on it. I'd like to take a look at the PDF, so I'll send you an email. BMK (talk) 03:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

you're using the clipping file which is less complete than the much more comprehensive ProQuest file. here's an excerpt: Rjensen (talk) 04:03, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So, we have a dilemma. I signed up for an intro subscription so I could look at the full Times edition for May 31, 1896, and the paper only has 18 pages, not 32. "Mott Street" doesn't appear in the index of the edition, nor does "Italians", "Latins" or "rag pickers". What was the 1898 date given in the book? BMK (talk) 04:17, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I got your e-mail, but it's a link that requires me to sign into a system I do not have a password for. Can you simply attach the PDF file to an e-mail and send it to me? ~~

In the section to the right appears the phrase "in Mott Street through a cellar in a Chinese grocery store". Searching the Times Archive with this (and recall now that I am a digital subscriber and theoretically have access to the entire database from 1851) with no quotation marks brings of 3 articles, none of which are this one. Searching with quotations brings up nothing at all. BMK (talk)

OK, I've tried numerous combinations of search times involving words from the section at right (padrones, muzzled, banished, etc etc etc.) and nothing comes up in the Times Archive. At this point I'm inclined to doubt the veracity of the ProQuest database. SO, until some positive proof comes up that this is actually from the Times, and not some other newspaper, we can either leave it out of the article all together, or include it with a comment in the ref that the source (and date) is unknown, but I'm afraid I'm not going to take ProQuest's word for it when the Times itself doesn't seem to have any record of the article, and the endnote in the book cited is not available for online viewing. BMK (talk) 04:40, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've figured out the problem. For whatever reason, the Times only scanned the first 18 pages of the May 31, 1896 edition, but in the "Bulletin of To-day's News" on page four, in which the major stories on each page are listed, content is listed for pages 19 through 32, including, on page 32 "Little Italy in New-York". So, my inclination was incorrect, ProQuest appears to be more comprehensive than the Times itself. Because of this, I've restored the information to the article. Sorry for the trouble. BMK (talk) 05:50, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for the great detective work! Rjensen (talk) 07:04, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Seuss, Dr (2014). Horton and the Kwuggerbug and More Lost Stories (First ed.). ISBN 978-0-385-38298-4.

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