Talk:Mulalo Doyoyo

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Cleanup tags

The cleanup tags were removed, but I restored them.

Several sentences of BLP claims remain unsourced. In addition, the huge walls of text clearly fail to meet Wikipedia:Manual of Style. Additionally, the article is cluttered with promotional phrasing that fails WP:NPOV requirements. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:19, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And again someone removed the cleanup tags without cleaning-up the core issues. I've restored them again. While the refs have been steadilly improved, core BLP information in the Early Life section remain unsourced. The big wall-of-text remains poorly structured and no attempt appears to be getting made to understand Wikipedia's WP:MOS. And the promotional wording around the individuals works remains scattered throughout the article. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:01, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And the cleanup tags have been removed again with no effort to address the concerns, and no discussion on this talk page despite requests to discuss the concerns on this talk page were also removed. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:44, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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COI editors

@Bri.public:@Melcous: I have reverted the removal of the COI banner. There are three editors, all registered within one month, two of them within the same 24 hours, who have concentrated virtually entirely on this and two other closely related articles. A discussion is taking place on the Administrators Noticeboard here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Mulalo_Doyoyo_biography and any editor of this article (or any other), is welcome there to add their views or shed light on this apparent COI. One of these three editors removed the COI banner (added by Melcous), which is again a clear indication of that probable COI. Thanks. Acabashi (talk) 10:20, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Response on COI of Mulalo Doyoyo Biography

Thank you for bringing this up to the COIN. I want to confirm a few things:

Both Mulalo Doyoyo and Cenocell accounts were set up before 2015 by someone without Mulalo Doyoyo’s knowledge and whoever he/she is did not inform him afterwards.

Cenocell account was already in existence several years before then (I’m not sure when it was formed, but you can verify). There were many press releases on Cenocell since 2008 that could have triggered someone to create an account. However, I notice that the first edits by yyyj4 are on 2015-04-23.

Mulalo Doyoyo account was formed either on or before 2010-01-03 - the same day I can view the oldest contribution by a user named ‘Marwala’.

It is true that Amoriguard account was set up in 2015-04-27 by yyyj4.

I know the other COI RDuvvury was a former student of Mulalo Doyoyo while he was lecturing at Georgia Tech before 2011. I also know that Mr Ryan Purchase of Dekro Paints who supplied the Amoriguard colorcard photograph is a co-developer of Amoriguard with Mulalo Doyoyo

It is also true that I have a relationship with Mulalo Doyoyo and Mulalo Doyoyo has a relationship with both Amoriguard and Cenocell

The copyright for the Amoriguard colorcard.jpg is by Ryan Purchase. The article https://www.news24.com/citypress/news/how-sa-engineer-mulalo-doyoyo-invented-eco-friendly-paint-by-pure-accident-20191219 also has a similar image, also copyrighted to Mr Ryan Purchase.

Regardless that much of what I sourced was from public domain and from highly-respected sources, my edits of the three accounts was a BIG mistake and ignorance of Wikipedia policies especially given my closeness to the subjects. My intention was simply to advocate.

None of the users implicated in the COI including myself will ever edit any of these three accounts again without first following due process on Wikipedia COI and other policies. None of the potentially COI-violating activities will ever be evidenced in any of these three accounts again. If there is any suspicion of such at anytime in the future of people that I know who are associated with Mulalo Doyoyo, I will report to the administrators immediately because I have put these three accounts on my Watchlist. Likewise, I will welcome any of the other editors or administrators to inform of any suspicious activities. I will also make it a point that I read the Wikipedia's COI policies very thoroughly.

Thank you very much for your time. Yyyj4 (talk) 12:52, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your statement that Mulalo Doyoyo had no knowledge and wasn't informed of a Wikipedia article about him is of no concern for Mulalo Doyoyo himself, and so the implication that he was entitled to be informed does further indicates probable COI and close personal association to the subject, as does your statement "my intention was simply to advocate". If you are not closely associated with or have control over the other COI user accounts, how can you state that these accounts will not edit farther, on this or any article, unless your phrase "my edits of the three accounts" means you are using multiple accounts. Acabashi (talk) 14:28, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Again, thank you for your quick response. Let me clarify, it involves mainly mix-up on wording:

In my response, wherever I mentioned ‘accounts’ I meant ‘Wikipedia articles’. E.g. my first sentence says “Both Mulalo Doyoyo and Cenocell accounts” instead of saying “Both Mulalo Doyoyo and Cenocell Wikipedia articles”.

By “three accounts”, I meant the “three Wikipedia articles”: Mulalo Doyoyo biography, Cenocell, and Amoriguard.

Now, what you are calling ‘accounts’ I was calling ‘users or usernames in my response’. As exemplified in “None of the ‘users’ implicated in the COI including myself will ever edit any of these ‘three accounts’….) This statement was supposed to read “None of the ‘accounts’ implicated in the COI including myself will ever edit any of these ‘three Wikipedia articles again’

I have no control of any of the other COI accounts. The allegation of sockpuppetry is not correct.

I recognized the account RDuvvury as one of Mulalo Doyoyo’s former student who I met during 'Retecza' workshops in South Africa back in 2009. I am based in South Africa and RDuvvury is based in the US.

When I say no further, it means that I’ll watch and inform the administrators if there is any strange activities of these COI accounts on the three Wikipedia articles. Meaning, I'll do the best I can.

Again, thank you for your time.

Yyyj4 (talk) 17:22, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]