Talk:Mukkulathor

mukkulathir is caste of robers

Mukkulathor is caste of robers

We need a separate section on this. 

Paths to Power and Patterns of Influence: The Dravidian Parties in South Indian Politics

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=thevar+robbers#tbm=bks&q=thevar+robber+caste Ingrid Widlund

Christianity in India: Search for Liberation and Identity F. Hrangkhuma https://books.google.com/books?id=KMrYAAAAMAAJ&dq=thevar+kallar+thief&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=thieves

Ethnicity and Populist Mobilization: Political Parties, Citizens, and Democracy in South India Oxford University https://books.google.com/books?id=iyuBAAAAMAAJ&dq=thevar+kallar+thief&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=theft

Actually, according to the article they are not a caste at all but rather a group of castes. I think Kallar is generally recognised as having claims such as those you make. - Sitush (talk) 14:24, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

References

No they are not. Without proper evidence you cannot criticize a community. Be aware of consequences Wellington muthuramalingam (talk) 12:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

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Mukkulathor origin from south indian rulers community. Although they are subdivided as agamudaiyar maravar kallar all these parties have contributed in war against British kingdom. There are valid proofs in history and evidence in ancient sculptures. Pasumpon Muthuramalinga thevar associated mukkulathor community and joined hands with sir nethaji subash chandra bose as a freedom fighter along with his troops. Wellington muthuramalingam (talk) 12:47, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:18, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

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"Please change They have been recorded as practising female infanticide as recently as the 1990s to as that line doesn't qualify to be present as I have explained with the reference"

The Mukkulathor communities live mostly in central and southern areas of Tamil Nadu, such as Madurai, Theni, Dindigul, Sivagangai, Pudukottai, Ramanathapuram, Thanjavur, Thiruvarur, Nagapattinam, Tiruchirapalli and Thirunelveli. They have been recorded as practising female infanticide as recently as the 1990s.

First of all the line mentioned about Mukkulathors-They have been recorded as practising female infanticide as recently as the 1990s. This line literally mean the whole Mukkulathor including Maravar and Agamudaiyar are stated as practicing Female Infanticide. Some of the Kallar people residing in Usilampatti did Female Infanticide in the past. But this practice of doing Female Infanticide is never in this culture or any cultural tradition particular to this Kallar community. The practice of Female Infanticide is all over the Indian Country, not specified to these particular Kallar people residing in Usillampatti. The Practice of doing Female Infanticide is never community-based. According to the definition given by Wikipedia on the cause of Female Infanticide is- Poverty, the dowry system, births to unmarried women, deformed infants, famine, lack of support services and maternal illnesses such as postpartum depression are among the causes that have been proposed to explain the phenomenon of female infanticide in India. So it is never a community-based ritual followed by Kallar peoples residing in Usillampatti, it is purely due to the above-mentioned causes. Because it is never a community-based thing followed in Tamilnadu. To prove that it is not community-based particular to these Kallar's residing in Usillampatti, I hereby provide the link of The Rediff Special post about Born to Die written by Gita Aravamudan (She's an award-winning author and journalist, has worked with and written for most of the top publications in the country, also has authored bestselling books including 'Disappearing Daughters: The Tragedy of Female Foeticide) from rediff.com clearly mentioning the following points-

The female infanticide belt had been identified. It stretched through the districts of Salem, Dharmapuri, North Arcot, Periyar, Dindigul and Madurai. Hardcore regions like north Salem, south Dharmapuri, south Dindigul and west Madurai accounted for practically 70 per cent of all female infanticide in the state.

It also became clear that female infanticide knew no caste, community or socio-economic barriers. The popular conception that female infanticide was confined to the Kallar and Thevar communities in Madurai and the Gounders in Salem was wrong. It was also prevalent among communities like the Vanniars, Pariyars and Pallars in other areas. In one village, the panchayat [council] head had just eliminated his third daughter. In another, the richest and most powerful landlord had killed off his fourth.

In Dharmapuri, one of the worst affected areas, an average of 105 baby girls were killed every month in 1997. Evidence supporting this was collected from the records of the primary health centres operating in these areas. Of these, 260 deaths occurred in Pennagaram, where female literacy was just 31.3 per cent, well below the state average of 41.8 per cent. Between 1994 and 1997, almost 3,000 baby girls died here as soon as they were born. Which meant three female infants were killed each day in that area alone.

Post link: https://www.rediff.com/news/2001/oct/24spec.htm

From the second paragraph mentioned in the above post by the Author Gita Aruvamudan (the most credible Author on the subject of Female Infanticide), we can easily conclude that the practice of female infanticide is never specific to these particular Kallar people residing in usillampatti.

So it loses the credibility to be present in the Demographics of Mukkulathor as it was never confined to Kallar people residing in usillampatti and it also doesn't qualify to represent the whole Mukkulathors which is included both Maravars and Agamudaiyars.

So, I request the Wikipedia team who works on the other end to kindly remove the line "They have been recorded as practising female infanticide as recently as the 1990s" which is never a community-based thing or specifically particular for this community as I explained with reference through the post by the renowned Author of the subject and didn't qualify to represent the whole Mukkulathors demographics. Shunmugamsri (talk) 15:07, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:36, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

removing the information on Female Infanticide, as I explained it never access the credibility to represent a Mukkulathors on Demographics

The Mukkulathor communities live mostly in central and southern areas of Tamil Nadu, such as Madurai, Theni, Dindigul, Sivagangai, Pudukottai, Ramanathapuram, Thanjavur, Thiruvarur, Nagapattinam, Tiruchirapalli, and Thirunelveli. They have been recorded as practicing female infanticide as recently as the 1990s.

First of all the line mentioned about Mukkulathors-They has been recorded as practicing female infanticide as recently as the 1990s. This line literally means the whole Mukkulathor including Maravar and Agamudaiyar are stated as practicing Female Infanticide. Some of the Kallar people residing in Usilampatti did Female Infanticide in the past. But this practice of doing Female Infanticide is never in this culture or any cultural tradition particular to this Kallar community. The practice of Female Infanticide is all over the Indian Country, not specified to these particular Kallar people residing in Usillampatti. The Practice of doing Female Infanticide is never community-based. According to the definition given by Wikipedia on the cause of Female Infanticide is- Poverty, the dowry system, births to unmarried women, deformed infants, famine, lack of support services and maternal illnesses such as postpartum depression are among the causes that have been proposed to explain the phenomenon of female infanticide in India. So it is never a community-based ritual followed by Kallar peoples residing in Usillampatti, it is purely due to the above-mentioned causes. Because it is never a community-based thing followed in Tamilnadu. To prove that it is not community-based particular to these Kallar's residing in Usillampatti, I hereby provide the link of The Rediff Special post about Born to Die written by Gita Aravamudan (She's an award-winning author and journalist, has worked with and written for most of the top publications in the country, also has authored bestselling books including 'Disappearing Daughters: The Tragedy of Female Foeticide) from rediff.com clearly mentioning the following points-

The female infanticide belt had been identified. It stretched through the districts of Salem, Dharmapuri, North Arcot, Periyar, Dindigul, and Madurai. Hardcore regions like North Salem, south Dharmapuri, south Dindigul, and west Madurai accounted for practically 70 percent of all female infanticide in the state.

It also became clear that female infanticide knew no caste, community, or socioeconomic barriers. The popular conception that female infanticide was confined to the Kallar and Thevar communities in Madurai and the Gounders in Salem was wrong. It was also prevalent among communities like the Vanniars, Pariyars, and Pallars in other areas. In one village, the panchayat [council] head had just eliminated his third daughter. In another, the richest and most powerful landlord had killed off his fourth.

In Dharmapuri, one of the worst affected areas, an average of 105 baby girls were killed every month in 1997. Evidence supporting this was collected from the records of the primary health centers operating in these areas. Of these, 260 deaths occurred in Pennagaram, where female literacy was just 31.3 percent, well below the state average of 41.8 percent. Between 1994 and 1997, almost 3,000 baby girls died here as soon as they were born. Which meant three female infants were killed each day in that area alone.

Post link: https://www.rediff.com/news/2001/oct/24spec.htm

From the second paragraph mentioned in the above post by the Author Gita Aruvamudan (the most credible Author on the subject of Female Infanticide), we can easily conclude that the practice of female infanticide is never specific to these particular Kallar people residing in usillampatti.

So it loses the credibility to be present in the Demographics of Mukkulathor as it was never confined to Kallar people residing in usillampatti and it also doesn't qualify to represent the whole Mukkulathors which is included both Maravars and Agamudaiyars. So, I request the Wikipedia team who works on the other end to kindly remove the line "They have been recorded as practicing female infanticide as recently as the 1990s" which is never a community-based thing or specifically particular for this community as I explained with reference through the post by the renowned Author of the subject and didn't qualify to represent the whole Mukkulathors demographics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shunmugamsri (talk • contribs) 06:17, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

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The Mukkulathor communities live mostly in central and southern areas of Tamil Nadu, such as Madurai, Theni, Dindigul, Sivagangai, Pudukottai, Ramanathapuram, Thanjavur, Thiruvarur, Nagapattinam, Tiruchirapalli, and Thirunelveli. They have been recorded as practicing female infanticide as recently as the 1990s.

First of all the line mentioned about Mukkulathors-They has been recorded as practicing female infanticide as recently as the 1990s. This line literally means the whole Mukkulathor including Maravar and Agamudaiyar are stated as practicing Female Infanticide. Some of the Kallar people residing in Usilampatti did Female Infanticide in the past. But this practice of doing Female Infanticide is never in this culture or any cultural tradition particular to this Kallar community. The practice of Female Infanticide is all over the Indian Country, not specified to these particular Kallar people residing in Usillampatti. The Practice of doing Female Infanticide is never community-based. According to the definition given by Wikipedia on the cause of Female Infanticide is- Poverty, the dowry system, births to unmarried women, deformed infants, famine, lack of support services and maternal illnesses such as postpartum depression are among the causes that have been proposed to explain the phenomenon of female infanticide in India. So it is never a community-based ritual followed by Kallar peoples residing in Usillampatti, it is purely due to the above-mentioned causes. Because it is never a community-based thing followed in Tamilnadu. To prove that it is not community-based particular to these Kallar's residing in Usillampatti, I hereby provide the link of The Rediff Special post about Born to Die written by Gita Aravamudan (She's an award-winning author and journalist, has worked with and written for most of the top publications in the country, also has authored bestselling books including 'Disappearing Daughters: The Tragedy of Female Foeticide) from rediff.com clearly mentioning the following points-

The female infanticide belt had been identified. It stretched through the districts of Salem, Dharmapuri, North Arcot, Periyar, Dindigul, and Madurai. Hardcore regions like North Salem, south Dharmapuri, south Dindigul, and west Madurai accounted for practically 70 percent of all female infanticide in the state.

It also became clear that female infanticide knew no caste, community, or socioeconomic barriers. The popular conception that female infanticide was confined to the Kallar and Thevar communities in Madurai and the Gounders in Salem was wrong. It was also prevalent among communities like the Vanniars, Pariyars, and Pallars in other areas. In one village, the panchayat [council] head had just eliminated his third daughter. In another, the richest and most powerful landlord had killed off his fourth.

In Dharmapuri, one of the worst affected areas, an average of 105 baby girls were killed every month in 1997. Evidence supporting this was collected from the records of the primary health centers operating in these areas. Of these, 260 deaths occurred in Pennagaram, where female literacy was just 31.3 percent, well below the state average of 41.8 percent. Between 1994 and 1997, almost 3,000 baby girls died here as soon as they were born. Which meant three female infants were killed each day in that area alone.

Post link: https://www.rediff.com/news/2001/oct/24spec.htm

From the second paragraph mentioned in the above post by the Author Gita Aruvamudan (the most credible Author on the subject of Female Infanticide), we can easily conclude that the practice of female infanticide is never specific to these particular Kallar people residing in usillampatti.

So it loses the credibility to be present in the Demographics of Mukkulathor as it was never confined to Kallar people residing in usillampatti and it also doesn't qualify to represent the whole Mukkulathors which is included both Maravars and Agamudaiyars. So, I request the Wikipedia team who works on the other end to kindly remove the line "They have been recorded as practicing female infanticide as recently as the 1990s" which is never a community-based thing or specifically particular for this community as I explained with reference through the post by the renowned Author of the subject and didn't qualify to represent the whole Mukkulathors demographics. Shunmugamsri (talk) 12:34, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:20, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

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Remove that story of Mukkulothor. That's a very cowardly act to write in a blog. 77.98.144.38 (talk) 16:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Chariotrider555 (talk) 16:42, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

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Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Mukkulathor. If you would like to create the article, Devendran🇧🇫, then please follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Your first article. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 05:58, 2 October 2022 (UTC)