Talk:Muhammad al-Baqir

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Paradoxic, that template is too Twelver-POV to use. It as much as accuses Sunnis of killing all the Shi'a Imams, and it assumes that the Twelvers are the only Shi'a.

I have also marked the article as POV. It is extremely Shi'a-POV and needs extensive revision. I will do it when I get a chance. Zora 05:26, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How you make up all this jibberish is beyond me, Where did i indicate that Sunnites killed Shia Imams? Here is the same template you've been trying to delete.


General Information

Name: Muhammad Ibn Ali

Title: Imam Baqir

Subtitle: Abu Jafar

Imam: Fifth

Father Imam Sajjad

Mother Fatima Bint Hassan

Place of Birth: Medina

Place of Martyrdom Medina

Type of Martyrdom Poisoning

Buried Jannat al-Baqi

Additional Shi'i doctrine

Preceding Imam Imam Sajad

Succeeding Imam Imam Jafar

I'll assume you will improve the above template to fit your idea of "NPOV"..if not i'll revert this back in a few weeks, unless Shi'as themselves, too have a problem with it, wich i havent encountered so far.

NPOV and Quotes

The article as it stands right now looks fairly neutral as far as I can tell. I see no bias in the infobox, unless you count the bit about martyrdom, which should be fine anyway as long as you cite source.

I also deleted the "Sayings" section, since it seems redunant to have the exact same content here as is on the Wikiquote section. Feel free to add it back in if you feel it's really necessary. Kerowyn 09:26, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article is still extremely POV. I just haven't had time to get to it. The encomiums to al-Baqir's scholarship are Shi'a-POV. Sunni Muslims just wouldn't say such things. I'd have to do some research, however, to figure out what other scholars were active at the same time. Zora 09:32, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Sunni Muslims just wouldn't say such things." not true. Dr. Nur al-Din `Itr, a reputable Sunni Hadith scholar, says of the twelve imams, "Each one of them was a pious, upright Muslim from the noble Prophetic Tree and many of them were also among the foremost people of knowledge in their time." --198.166.20.167 02:23, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

... There are a lot other things in this article that clealy indicates, that it was written by a Shia, and the whole article is clearly Shia-POV. For example, the writer says "Alayhi el Salam" everytime mentioning Muhammad Al-Baqir, which would never be done by a Sunni-Muslim. Western scholars neither do praise the Imam's of Shia Islam. Here is another example, the article mentions that the bith of Muhammad al-Baqir was foretold by the Torah, no Sunni nor christian would make such a claim. The article also states that the islamic prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) told Jabir bin Abdullah that he would meet Al-Baqir someday, and this claim is NOT recognized by any Sunni Muslim. The article does not mention this fact! The auther doesnt neither quote his source, which makes the claim a lot less trustable. In my humble opinion, a such article are not suitable for a non-religious enclopedia like Wikipedia. By Hamid Al-Maghraby, Aarhus, Denmark

this article seems like a rather obvious copy/paste or paraphrasal of a shi'a source (and a very biased one at that). needs some radical restructuring... ---m7ia

very npov

69.113.7.9 01:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)m7ia[reply]

I am taking up the responsibility to rewrite this article from a Neutal Point Of View. Thank You Salman 18:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The date of birth and death is incorrect. Real dates are as follows. Birth: 3 rd Safar 57 AH ( Madina ) - 677 AD Death: 17 th Zilhajj 114 AH ( Madina ) – 6/2/733 AD Dates should be verified before publishing. The user is the administrator of the site www.alavibohra.org All the genuine dates are available on this site. --Z bhaisaheb (talk) 10:26, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why images?

Imamas don't agree with images and surely thats not the image of Imam baqir. That depiction seems to be false.

"The life of Imam Mohammad al-Baqir"

I am not finding this source anywhere. Can someone verify? Peter Deer (talk) 00:33, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fourth Ismaili Imam?

Imamah_(Shi'a_Ismaili_doctrine)#Ismaili_view clearly lists him as the fifth imam. --91.61.54.169 (talk) 09:14, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Expanding on the article

Hello. I am going to expand on this article. Hadi.anani (talk) 10:47, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I edited this article once more so that it won't have the problem labeled on the top of the article page. so I am going to remove the label. Hadi.anani (talk) 05:28, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Edited to fix a great number of grammar and punctuation issues. But not completely. Kvom01 (talk) 23:20, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I appreciate your help. Hadi (talk) 06:11, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Kvom01. I thank you again for your copy-edit on this article. I have been working on this article for a while and hope you would find the time to help copy-edit the rest of this article too, so that we could then nominate it as a good article. Regards. Hadi (talk) 12:42, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Copy-editing the article

I'll hopefully copy-edit the article in the coming weeks. Albertatiran (talk) 15:59, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]