Talk:Muhammad Jaunpuri

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The biography was initially constructed from the sources available with the followers of Syed Muhammad Jaunpuri.

The writings of the Mahdavis themselves may not carry conviction with them, despite the fact that the inmate of house knows more about the goings on inside, than an inquisitive outsider. Non-Mahdawi writers referring the Medieval Indian movement of Syed Mohammad Jaunpuri have to be cited to maintain the NPOV.

To mention a few modern works available on net there is 'The Sociology of Political Engagement - The Mahdawiyah and the State' by Derryl N. Maclean which sheds much light.

Also "Islam in India's Transition to Modernity" Author: M.A. Karandikar presents a glimpse on the subject.

Abul Kalam Azad's Tazkira (Urdu/Arabic: تذكره) provides ample history and a link to the excerpts from the book is supplied in the article.

One can search the web for the critics unfortunately I could not find results from scholarly and reliable sources other than fatwas by certain non-Mahdawi organisations against the followers' belief.

Much finer search is availed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azgs (talk • contribs) 21:37, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The height of criticism...

There was a line... Jaunpuri was born in Jaunpur...!!! Strange... is that something to mention that way...?!?!?!

I corrected it to 'Syed Mohammad was born in Jaunpur' hence he is called Jaunpuri by the masses...

It was not his name nor was he ever named thus.

And to say... His parents are said to have been named Amina and Abdullah, as per the Prophet's Hadith...

Strangest way to emphasize!! Are parents named after the birth of their child?!?!?

One may make fun, of others, fine... but not by making fun of himself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Azgs (talk • contribs) .

It is entirely possible that someone would not recognize that the name Jaunpuri implied an origin in Jaunpur. Irving Berlin did not come from Berlin.

The bit about the hadith is apparently intended to say that his birth met the conditions of prophecy. It is perhaps not so well worded. --Saforrest 00:32, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ASIF ATHANI ADVOCATE BELGAUM KARNATAKA INDIA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.221.22 (talk) 08:00, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The mention of Hadith

The Hadith about parents' name does not seem to fit well on that place in this biography. Hence I remove it. If felt necessary it may be placed again suitably. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azgs (talk • contribs) 02:18, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the wording [at a minimum] in this article's pretty eyebrow-raising.

The subject was "a perfect Saint"?

He "claimed to be Imam Mahdi at the holy city of Mecca, right in front of Kaaba." Is "holy" an official title for Mecca or an editorial adjective? "Right in front of" is emphatic, which is fine, but confusingly so because the reason for the emphasis is neither explained nor self-evident.

Again, is "the Noble Prophet Muhammad" noble because that's part of an official title, or just by general consensus?

"That was in the city of Jaunpur of that day. Which is also remembered as Shiraz-e-Hind. Like Shiraz was then a center for scholars in Persia,[1] Jaunpur was the answer to it in India."

I understand what's being said here but it's ill-worded and out of place in the context it's in.

This just a sampling. I hesitate to rigorously edit this article, because I know practically nothing about Janpouri, but it needs it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.7.205.26 (talk) 20:14, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This just a sampling.

Some of the wording [at a minimum] in this article's pretty eyebrow-raising.

The subject was "a perfect Saint"?

He "claimed to be Imam Mahdi at the holy city of Mecca, right in front of Kaaba." Is "holy" an official title for Mecca or an editorial adjective? "Right in front of" is emphatic, which is fine, but confusingly so because the reason for the emphasis is neither explained nor self-evident.

Again, is "the Noble Prophet Muhammad" noble because that's part of an official title, or just by general consensus?

"That was in the city of Jaunpur of that day. Which is also remembered as Shiraz-e-Hind. Like Shiraz was then a center for scholars in Persia,[1] Jaunpur was the answer to it in India."

I understand what's being said here but it's ill-worded and out of place in the context it's in.

I hesitate to rigorously edit this article, because I know practically nothing about Janpouri, but it needs it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.7.205.26 (talk) 20:15, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please add this

حضرت سید مُحَمَّد مُصْطَفَى ‬ ﷺ

               ِبنت
               ( حضرت سیدہ بی بی فَاطِمَة‎الزهراء) و زوجہ :(عَلِي ابْن أَبِي طَالِب ؓ‎)
        اِبن
             حضرت سَیّدْنا الإمام الحسين ابن علي ابن أبي طالب ؓ
                اِبن
                حضرت سید امام زین العابدین ؓ
               اِبن
               حضرت سید امام محمد  الباقر ؓ
               اِبن
               حضرت سید امام جعفر الصادق ؓ
            اِبن
            حضرت سید امام موسیء  الكاظم ؓ
                اِبن
                حضرت سید إسماعيل ؓ
                                اِبن
                حضرت سید نعمت ؓ
                                 اِبن
                 حضرت سید جلال الدین ؓ
                                اِبن
                 حضرت سید یحییٰ ؓ
                                   اِبن
                 حضرت سید یوسف ؓ
                                 اِبن
                 حضرت سید عبداللہ ؓ
                 اِبن
                 حضرت سید نجم الدین ؓ
                 اِبن
                 حضرت سید قاسم ؓ
                 اِبن
                 حضرت سید موسیٰ ؓ
                 اِبن
                 حضرت سید خضر ؓ
                 اِبن
                 حضرت سید عثمان ؓ
                 اِبن
                 حضرت سید عبداللہ ؓ
                 اِبن
               حضرت سید محمد جونپوری مہدی موعود عليه السلام Nazimhannure (talk) 15:53, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammad Jaunpuri's life

He was born 1443 ad He is the son of Abdullah son of Othman son of Khizir son of Musa son of Qasim son of Naj al den son of Abdullah son of Yusuf son of Yahya son of Jalalu den son of Ni'mat son of Ismail (son of Musa) son of Jafar al Sadiq, maybe his lineage goes back to Muhammad ibn Ismail ibn Jafar, his lineage is short to Ni'mat so Mahdavis shortened it and gave him a Musavi lineage because Sunnis hate Ismail and his descendents, however He claimed to be Mahdi year 1479 ad because Hussein Jaunpuri was king when he became adherent to Mahdavi Sect after Lodhis conquest of Jaunpur Mahdi escaped them and went to Mecca maybe 1490s and claimed to be Mahdi to all Nations of Islam so He went to Gujarat after that then to Makran (Koh Murad) then to Sindh then to Khurasan and died 1506 in Farah as a new Muhammad so may be the Timurid or another King in Farah converted to Mahdavi sect. 178.52.89.7 (talk) 08:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]