Talk:Mro-Khimi people

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Requested move 17 May 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was proposed in this section that Mro people (Awa Khami) be renamed and moved to Awa Khami people.

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Moved to Mro-Khimi people per consensus garnered below. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 03:16, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Mro people (Awa Khami) → Awa Khami people – (Hi, I want to request to all wikipedians this title moved to Awa Khami people) Thanks .Moyezan (talk) 11:43, 17 May 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:40, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Moyezan: Why should the article be moved to Awa Khami people? GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 15:37, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- (Hi,They are Awa Khami people,not the same with Mro people language , Language Script, Cuttural festival , dress. so moved to Awa Khami people).Thanks.Moyezan (talk) 02:50, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As stated in the section below, there seems to be confusion between two subgroups of the Chin people:

the Mro-Khimi, Wakim or Awa Khami people, described in this article, Mro people (Awa Khami);
the Taung Mro, Mru or Mrucha people, described in another article which has had several titles and recently moved to Mro people (Mru).

Putting the Mrucha aside for a moment, what would be the best title for the Mro/Awa Khami article? Is their most commonly recognizable name "Mro", "Awa Khami", or something else?

If it's "Mro" then the current title is probably best. Mro and Mro people can refer to either group and, as ambiguous titles with no clear primary topic, correctly lead to a disambiguation page. In this case, we need a distinguishing qualifier, and "(Awa Khami)" seems to be a good choice, so I would oppose the move.
If it's "Awa Khami" then I would support the move as proposed.
If it's a close call between the two then I would also support the move as natural disambiguation.
If it's something else then we should consider moving the article to that title instead.

Sorry for the long essay but I hope that helps. Certes (talk) 14:47, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have created a similar RM at Talk:Mro language#Requested move 24 May 2020 following repeated moves of that page. We may or may not wish to resolve the two discussions together. Pinging Kwamikagami, who may be able to help us or suggest someone who can. Certes (talk) 10:20, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I find it difficult to follow what Moyezan and Yomeo are saying. They are both single-purpose accounts making edits to this ethnic group. This article was originally created under the title Awa Khami. There are obviously several different synonyms for this group but neither editor has pointed out sources. For an ethnic group supposedly recognized by the government, what title does the government use? I can't access the Ethnologue source. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:02, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have requested assistance from WikiProject Ethnic groups and WikiProject Languages. Certes (talk) 15:19, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Þjarkur: Here's an archived version of the Ethnologue page.[1] –Austronesier (talk) 16:06, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Add I have just been able to check the history of all the pages involoved. This is highly disruptive editing which should not only be handled by PP but also by sanctions against the editors who fail to provide sources and just keep edit warring based on their version of WP:TRUTH. For this discussion, we need more sources. In the linguistic MA thesis by Hornéy (2012), the ethnic group and the language are called Mro Khimi, and the Ethnologue says that Mro-Khimi is the autonym. Awa Khami is the common exonym used in the oft-cited "official" list of 135 ethnic groups (cf. sources there). So currently, I would only choose between autonym Mro-Khimi and exonym Awa Khami. –Austronesier (talk) 18:22, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment An ethnologue map from Myanmar Information Management Unit also refers Mro language (cmr) as Mro-Khimi in English, and မြို(ခမိ) in Burmese. Ninja✮Strikers ^«☎» 06:31, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New proposal: Mro-Khimi people

New proposal: move Mro people (Awa Khami) → Mro-Khimi people. This title matches one alternative in Ethnologue and Joshua Project. It seems to combine elements of both the current title and that to which the page was temporarily moved. I add the qualifier "people" because Joshua Project also refers to the language as "Mro-Khimi". Could everyone, especially Moyezan and Yomeo, accept the title "Mro-Khimi people" for this article? Certes (talk) 14:32, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support This peer-reviewed academic source (pp. 131-132) confirms that "Mro-Khimi" is the self-designation of the speakers. The source itself calls the language simply "Mro", and the ethnic group "Mro Chin" (and FWIW, the other debated group in Bangladesh is called "Mru" in the source).

NB: Joshua Project is a weak source, since they usually simply copy the nomenclature used in the Ethnologue. –Austronesier (talk) 14:40, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support so far. This seems like a reasonable compromise, and obviously the article has to move to something else, because we do not do "Name (Alternative Name)" article title patterns; parentheticals are used for disambiguation, not for packing in synonyms. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 12:37, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment A related article has moved to Mro-Khimi language. This may or may not indicate the best title for the people article. Certes (talk) 10:10, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Mro-Khimi people. Current name is a mess. Andrewa (talk) 21:30, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

No need to move Mro people to Awa Khami

(Hi Do not confused Mru or Mrucha people and Mro or Mro ( Wakim ) or Mro Khami. If we says Mro, there is evidence till now, who has been living in Chin state and Rakhin state as Mro or Mro ( Wakim ), Mro Khami. Hi Moyezan! I think you thought Mrucha as Mro. dont confuse with Mrucha or Taungmro or locally called Dak. --Yomeo (talk) 12:05, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop considering only for Mru People who call themselves Mrucha and Marked as Mro in languages. Please think there are a lots of Mro people in historical region ( Southern Chin State ( Sami region) and Rakhin State). They speak Mro, Mro ( Wakim ), Mro Khimi. EVERY ETHNIC PEOPLE DOES NOT WANT TO LOST THEIR ARTICLE NAME, HISTORY, CULTURE AND LANGUAGES AND LAND. --Yomeo (talk) 12:14, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yomeo: We want to engage in a constructive discussion about the topic. I understand your concerns, but please tell us in a concise and calm way what you want to say, without ALLCAPS (which equals WP:shouting) and drama (incl. edit warring and disruptive page moves), and please also provide reliable sources. Thank you! –Austronesier (talk) 09:35, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For my local research knowledge, Awakhami is just internal conversation name of their relationship, It does not represent the whole Mro ethnic. By doing so, Mro people will be split up. So, Mro people naming is the best way to united among them. Thanks "Austronesier" --Yomeo (talk) 16:07, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Uniting groups in causes isn't Wikipedia's job. We're here to reflect what reliable, independent sources are reporting. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 12:40, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RM: Mru people (Mrucha)

Editors who followed the above RM may also be interested in Talk:Mru people (Mrucha)#Requested move 29 June 2020. Certes (talk) 16:57, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]