Talk:Mr. Miyagi/Archive 1

No period

Why does Mr. Miyagi redirect to Mr Miyagi, and not the other way around? The period should be in the title, shouldn't it? Neier 23:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Removing the period from points of address before proper names (such as Mr and Dr) has become commonplace is widely accepted as punctually correct. --Bentonia School 16:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

In other nations, perhaps; but in the United States, the period is standard. The actor who plays this immigrant to America is an American, and this is an American movie. Therefore it should be to the proper national standards. 69.245.80.218 (talk) 03:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Change it then. --Bentonia School (talk) 18:45, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Continuity

Where in the continuity of The Karate Kid canon does Mr Miyagi die? I'm curious. --Bentonia School 16:20, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, the biography leaves out Daniel's actual relationship and training with Miyagi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.92.192 (talk) 04:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think he does, does he? The last film was "The Next Karate Kid" and he was still alive in that. (79.190.69.142 (talk) 20:33, 16 January 2011 (UTC))

Added Unreferenced Tag

No sources = unreferenced tag. MastaFighta (talk) 00:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Terrible article

This entire article is full of misrepresentations and mistruths. For example, the crane technique (as it is refered to in the film; it is never called the crane kick) does not exist in any martial application in any style of karate-do. The article suggests that since Mr Miyagi uses the crane technique that indicates that the style he teaches Daniel is Goju-ryu. Ridiculous. In fact, the crane technique was developed for the film. Also, to restate my question made above, when in the continuity of the Karate Kid mythos does Mr Miyagi die? The article needs some serious cleaning up. --Bentonia School (talk) 18:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Kesuke?

Shouldn't this be Kensuke (健介)?

Probably. The JP.WIKIPEDIA article has "Kesuke" in romaji, which suggests to me it's not a real name. Lontano (talk) 18:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Tournament of Movie Characters

Why is this something that should be in this article? Raeky (talk) 04:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I have removed it as a potential BLP violation. This article has no solid sources as it is, we don't need to be including something as inflammatory as what was in those paragraphs. --Elonka 04:52, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree it should be removed, but how is it a BLP violation considering this is a fictional person? Thedarxide (talk) 11:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

There were complaints that the person being "fictionally" disemboweled was a living person, who objected to having the information here in the article. We have no sources verifying that such a person even appeared in the fictional account, nor that the account is accurate, nor that the scene was even notable enough to mention. --Elonka 17:03, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I've got it, I missed the edit in the history, thanks for pointing it out. Thedarxide (talk) 21:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Age and History

If he was born in 1923, then he'd be 18 in 1941. The camps opened a year later, and people were rounded up. The draft from the camps happened in in 1943. Mr. Miyagi would be around 20 years old when he gets drafted and sent to Europe. Then, he becomes an officer? Battlefield promotions? There were already Japanese Americans in the military, and they would have gotten the promotions. Most of the officers were white, anyway.

Also, it was illegal for Japanese to immigrate from 1924 to, I think, 1955. So Mr. Miyagi would have been in the US illegally, unless he was on some scholar's visa. Long before the camps were opened and the communities imprisoned, the FBI rounded up Japanese nationals and did deportations.

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It is worses than your description. As shown in Cobra Kai he was born in 1925. So he learned fishing in the age of two, as he specified the year of this action as 1927 in The Karate Kid Part 2. He than had to emigrate to the US after the beginning of the war between US and JAP. 2A02:8108:8AC0:5DEC:9D36:F8BD:FBBC:DD5D (talk) 14:33, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

It's great that they incorporated the 442nd into the movie, because those veterans deserve recognition, but, it was not historically accurate. Also, it really makes the United States out to be a lot more fair than it was. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.231.139.166 (talk) 04:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

It's a *film*. Find one accurate film depicting America's actions during the 2nd world war :) Thedarxide (talk) 06:23, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I believe Pat Morita himself suggest Mr Miyagi's service in the 442nd. Morita had been in an internment camp as a child and remembered stories of the regt. (79.190.69.142 (talk) 20

33, 16 January 2011 (UTC))

Mr. Han

Should there be anything regarding the Jackie Chan character of Mr. Han on the Kesuke Miyagi character article? Orstio (talk) 22:41, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Should there be anything regarding the Jackie Chan character? He occupies at best the same category, but is completely different and is for all intents and purposes a different character. It seems perhaps a reference should be made to the 2010 movie and how Mr. Miyagi is not in it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.222.95.70 (talk) 04:44, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I personally agree. I think it's very confusing to have a full description and picture of Jackie Chan's character in Mr. Miyagi's article. It's especially unusual/confusing since Pat Morita is no longer alive. I think we can do without this; no offense to the editors who included that info. Does anybody else agree? 67.182.237.57 (talk) 07:21, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't have a strong opinion either way. We can remove the Mr. Han section or move it to List of The Karate Kid characters#Mr. Han; I think most of it is already there. There should definitely be a note on Keisuke Miyagi about Han though. --Boycool (talk) 12:54, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree that there should certainly be a note about Han in this article. We can't leave that out since there is an obvious connection. I support moving the main info to List of The Karate Kid characters#Mr. Han. Question: If the consensus is indeed to have it only in the Mr. Han section of List of The Karate Kid characters, does that mean we just omit the information (other than a brief mention) that is listed in this article? (I'm not new to Wikipedia, but I certainly would be considered a beginner in terms of editing skills.) Sorry I was a little slow to respond. 67.182.237.57 (talk) 00:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, most likely, it would say something like "In the 2010 remake of The Karate Kid, Jackie Chan portrays a re-imagined version of Miyagi, named Mr. Han." --Boycool (talk) 01:13, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I think this 2010 Remake section should be removed. The character that is the subject of this article is not in the film, and the character of Mr. Han is not in any way related to the subject of the article other than playing the role of mentor. Mr. Han needs to be added to an article about the 2010 remake, or maybe an article about the Karate Kid franchise as a whole, but not to an article about an unrelated character. Orstio (talk) 20:25, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Training his officer's daughter

The article states that Mr Miyagi trained his officer in the army. The Hilary Swank character in "The Next Karate Kid" was the daughter of the officer in question (20:33, 16 January 2011 (UTC))

She was the granddaughter. 2A02:8108:8AC0:5DEC:9D36:F8BD:FBBC:DD5D (talk) 14:35, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

What is his 'karate style'?

I feel that the 'Karate style' section doesn't say anything substantial about Miyagi's karate style except that he 'has extraordinary martial arts skill.' I must admit that I know next to nothing about karate / martial arts, but considering that he is seen fighting in four movies, one would think that his karate style could be characterized somewhat. - 84.46.79.252 (talk) 20:25, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Kesuke or Keisuke?

The page title is Keisuke, but every reference in the page itself is Kesuke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.131.246 (talk) 21:13, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Mr. Kesuke Miysgi also played in Sandford & Son with the all time great Fred Sandford. I remembered now that I knew if face but could not place it from before. I saw him in the season 5 eposodie 10 called Sandford and Rising Sun. Just saying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.88.209 (talk) 01:48, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Off topic, but Pat Morita played a character named Ah Chew on Sanford and Son, it was not Kesuke Miyagi. Same actor, different character. Orstio (talk) 20:21, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Japanese kanji name

As pointed out above in a very old thread, the standard reading of 健介 is Kensuke, not Kesuke. Is there any source (i.e. a scene in the movie) where we see the character's name written as 健介? If not, then I think it should be removed. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 06:16, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Ahahaja

Agahah 2600:6C50:1A3F:E3E9:A581:867:EFF2:C531 (talk) 02:41, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Section needs refs

This section from the article needs additional references.-Classicfilms (talk) 17:50, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Mr. Miyagi has a deep philosophical knowledge of life and extraordinary martial arts skill. In the second film, he explains that he is descended from Shimpo Miyagi, who was very fond of both fishing and sake. One day in 1625 while fishing, a very drunk Shimpo passed out on his boat off the coast of Okinawa and ended up on the coast of China. Ten years later, Shimpo returned to Okinawa with his Chinese wife and two children, and the secret of Miyagi family karate. This, along with Miyagi's claim from the first film that his ancestor derived karate from the Chinese te, implies that Shimpo Miyagi, like many Okinawan karate masters, was trained in Chinese martial arts during his stay in China. The secret of the Miyagi family karate appears to be a Den-den daiko, on which the drum technique is based. Other aspects of the style involve the crane technique (crane kick), breathing technique, techniques from the kata Tensho (wax on wax off) and the kata Seiunchin (third movie). In The Next Karate Kid, the "Tiger Position", a Taekwondo stance, is featured. Mr. Miyagi is additionally well known for his warm-up method which basically is continuously tracking opponent's head without shooting at them; it's not meant to be used in an actual match.

References

Mr. Miyagi's first and middle name.

Can someone please help me understand how people know mr. Miyagi's first and middle name even though it is never stated in the movies.@ 172.59.75.82 (talk) 02:04, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

It isn’t said as dialogue but all the variations are written down somewhere. On paperwork, on dog tags, on a grave stone, etc. If you have sharp eyes and can read Japanese they are stated. Ryukin (talk) 12:43, 1 June 2023 (UTC)