Talk:Moyie (sternwheeler)

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Did you know... that the PS Moyie (pictured) was the last working sternwheeler in Canada and is the oldest intact sternwheeler in the world?

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Importance rating

Are you sure it's only of low importance in BC? Being that the Moyie is a National Historic Site and the last intact sternwheeler of that era in the world? I know I'm a tad biased here, being a sternwheeler buff, but I think its historical (and present) importance is quite high.CindyBo ^talk 08:14, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mid ok? --Qyd 17:05, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's perfect, thanks.CindyBo ^talk 23:15, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Moyie on the Slocan?

I spoke to a friend in the Slocan yesterday. He said there were steamboats on Slocan Lake, and seemed to think one of them was the Moyie. Was it hauled over Bonanza Pass from Nakusp or what? Seems a bit much to bring it over via Retallack, or maybe it was hauled up the Slocan River somehow? Could be he's wrong, he wasn't sure.Skookum1 (talk) 17:12, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moyie was never on Slocan Lake, I believe the propeller steamer York, the sternwheeler Slocan, and the steam tug Rosebery were on Slocan Lake, and maybe some others.Mtsmallwood (talk) 18:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would that be the same York that was a freight boat on Lake Okanagan? Saw it mentioned somewhere as a companion vessel to the Sicamous in her final freight years; maybe on one of the signs down in the heritage park, which is about a block from here, where the Sicamous and Naramata and the saloon from the Okanagan are preserved; there's another older vessel on the water, can't see its name. I know MTSmallwood's not around lately, but leaving this an open question.Skookum1 (talk) 08:49, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Navbox

I added a new navbox for Kooteanay Lake and Kootenai River steamboats, but I left the Steamboats of British Columbia navbox on the page, due primarily to the importance of this vessel to the rest of British Columbia, as well as the fact that Moyie was originally designated for service on the Stikine River.Mtsmallwood (talk) 18:05, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nope to use of red ensign in Infobox

I'm not in Nelson so can't go check out the Moyie directly; but teh Naramata and Sicamous are here in Penticton and were also CPR Lake and River Service vessels, and they fly the white ensign - the St George's Cross with the union jack in the upper corner, not the red ensign (was that even used on RCN vessls?).Skookum1 (talk) 21:31, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moyie in Kaslo not Nelson; built in Van for Stikine service. Sister on Arrow Lk till immolated in '68. Cross of St. George flag, viz Royal Navy White Ensign is a navy flag--Red Ensign is merchant navy flag. Ships that received Imperial subsidy for mail flew red ensign, a la Titanic and had RMS designation Royal Mail ship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.23.169 (talk) 04:09, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok to Use canadian red ensign which is the hodge podge of Canadian crest and the merchant navy red ensign. It was Canadian flag only after 1923 and thus ship pre-dates flag but did operate under it. It raises interesting "standard" questions as to which flag to fly, especially at places like Vimy Ridge today, the Red Ensign which did not exist in 1917,nor ruddysmears that Pearson brought in in 1965. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.23.169 (talk) 04:17, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the Kaslo/Nelson thing, I fuzzed on it being Kootenay Lake; amazes me they got it from the Stikine to Kootenay Lake - in pieces, presumably, but by rail or up the Columbia somehow? - I'll look up BC Archives etc photos and examine the flags on these vessels; though the CPR in general carried the mail, the CPR Lake and River Service was a freshwater merchant navy, specific to railway freight and passenger transport connections; certainly not Royal Navy, or RCN, though pretty much the closest thing locally other than the various vessels which flew the HBC ensign; this is a restored vessel, lovingly so; I can't see them flying a historically-inaccurate flag on it, but I'll look for other proof than my own statement I saw it flying above the poopdeck the other night (well, every night, I often walk there); the modern maple leaf flies on the forward mast, though. I want to start a Canadian Pacific Lake and River Service article anyway, might as well spend a day at the museum and library and get some basics outlined....Skookum1 (talk) 07:47, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

sfs, is that you?Skookum1 (talk) 07:50, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, Messy One, tis me sfs, still not signing in. top of the season btw. sfs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.23.169 (talk) 18:21, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that White Ensign is for Royal Navy and Royal Yacht Squadron ships. Other UK flags are the Red Ensign (civil) and Blue Ensign (government). Lloyd's Register would be a great help here. There are many instances of ships being registered in British Empire ports under the British Flag. The other choice would be to use

,

and

in the infobox under a port of registry entry - similar to SS Wilhelm Russ - note how the flag changes but the port of registry remains the same. Mjroots (talk) 20:35, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think Moyie flew the Union Jack, it was the acting Canadian flag at the time. I dunno if the Moyie was in one piece when it was decided to move it inland. Mann and Co were ready to build the line north; they even had rail at Glenora to start the project. The Americans would not give them transit rights past Wrangell (to keep trade to Skagway). An interesting aside apparently the pre- 53 red ensign has tits on the harp girl, taken off thereafter in an early pc move. sfs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.23.169 (talk) 18:31, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a picture of the white ensign on the Sicamous when I'm down there in daylight (I'm usually down there at night)....my theory is that the CPR Lake and River Service vessels had their own flag protocol, distinct from that of the saltwater merchant marine and that of CPR Steamships; I'll be checking with the curator at the Penticton Musuem when I can get hold of him as to why the white ensign is there.Skookum1 (talk) 19:17, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Found out it should be a red-and-white six-square chekerboard - read this. I'll ask the Penticton Museum why the White Ensign i used; it maybe because there's no extant version of the red-and-white checkerboard which apparently was the fleet flag.Skookum1 (talk) 05:32, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is there an echo in here, just said that. Merry whiteman's potlatch :) sfs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.23.169 (talk) 06:20, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Go down to beach nightly with a bottle and a brown bag to splice the main brace eh? CPR house flag was the 6 square red and white checker. Flags aside, the real ferking tragedy was that more CPR vessels and rail engines were not saved--the Maquinna, Marguerite, Lady Alex, Minto, and a few others. No bloody pride in this province, yeesh, pass the bottle. sfs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.23.169 (talk) 20:19, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd rather go to Kelowna by boat than by highway; especially by bus vs steamer, steamer any day. No train anymore either...what a way to get from here to Vancouver huh? but yeah, steamer from here to Vernon instead of busing it? Any day....Gonna try and write an article on the Hotel Incola - got any stories about it? I still haven't gotten to Steamboats of the Lower Fraser and Harrison Lake yet, nor Steamboats of the Thompson-Shuswap or some such title, just no time.....what do you know about the Skaha boats? And do you know if there was ever talk of a canal from the Columbia to the Shuswap? Or just drinking-talk between early engineers, no actual paperwork or poiltical momentum?Skookum1 (talk) 07:47, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strangely, i'd have to pass on this subject, big worm hole in my knowledge; OK-nowgone not my area or study. I did pick up a good book on steamers on the Thompson when I was in Sorrento last year (after being scudded across the lake in a snow storm). Id prefer trains and paddlers to bloody minivans anyday. And I avoid Hellowna at all costs, I go via Knutsford. Got a nifty Akrigg history book from Santa, Never heard of canal, geography too bad methinks. Still marvelling at the CPR and its route alignment, speaking of drunken location engineer (A.B. Rogers) bamboozling management ( W. C. Van Horne.).sfs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.23.169 (talk) 23:03, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moyie plans

I have a large sheet of plans for the Moyie which I purchased a few years ago (2002). I'd be willing to scan and post if appropriate.Alberg22 (talk) 06:46, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if that belongs in Wikimedia Commons or WikiSource; perhaps best to ask at the main talkpage of the latter project. Commons images can be shared to here easily, and to other-language Wikipedias....mebbe so with WikiSource; others will answer yet, my guess is maybe the Commons, there's be some category like "Transportation in British Columbia" and likely a "ships in British Columbia" category of some name or other.Skookum1 (talk) 07:41, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone know how to get the caption box to reappear after a move of jpeg? sfs