Talk:Mothers of the Disappeared/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Cavie78 (talk) 11:52, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

An excellent article which reads very well and appears to address all the main issues with support from reliable sources. I have a small number of fairly minor concerns which are detailed below. Cavie78 (talk) 17:37, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): (MoS):

   A few concerns with the clarity of certain parts of the prose are detailed below.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): (citations to reliable sources): (OR):

   A concern with the lack of refs in the lead relating to direct quotes and some possibly contentious information.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

• Because of the contentious nature of some of the material in the lead (e.g. "While in Central America he met members of the Madres de Plaza de Mayo, whose children had been forcibly disappeared by the Argentinean and Chilean governments.") I think you should have cites per WP:LEADCITE You should really cite the direct quotes from the reviewers as well.

• Normally I don't cite anything in the lead since it is all backed up later by the body but I agree that, since some of the information is potentially contentious, it should be sourced, so I have copied four references up there.

• A Conspiracy of Hope Tour -> A Conspiracy of Hope tour?

• Fixed.

• "...lead singer Bono met René Castro, a Chilean mural artist who had been tortured and held for two years over artwork which was highly critical of the fascist government led by Augusto Pinochet, who had seized power in 1973 during a coup d'état." You should probably make it clearer that you're talking about the facist government of Chile and that it was (presumably) artwork created by Castro that lead to his arrest rather than just something he had possession of/was distributing.

• Reworded to "lead singer Bono met René Castro, a Chilean mural artist. Castro had been tortured and held in a concentration camp for two years by the fascist Chilean government because his artwork criticised the Pinochet-led regime that seized power in 1973 during a coup d'état."

• "...inspired the lyrics of "Mothers of the Disappeared" and "Bullet the Blue Sky"." As this article is about "Mothers of the Disappeared" it might be better to say something like "...inspired the lyrics of "Mothers of the Disappeared", as well as another of The Joshua Tree's tracks, "Bullet the Blue Sky".

• Reworded to "inspired the lyrics of "Mothers of the Disappeared" and another track from The Joshua Tree, "Bullet the Blue Sky"."

• "At the conclusion of the lyrics sheet..." What lyrics sheet? For The Joshua Tree?

• Yes; I've altered the wording so that it now says "...conclusion of the lyrics sheet for the song in the liner notes of The Joshua Tree"

• "In 1998, Bono re-recorded the song a cappella in English and Spanish for the album ¡Ni Un Paso Atras!" Any background about what this album was i.e. was it a charity album, did it have anything to do with the forcible disappearance of children in Chile and Argentina?

• It was an album put together by the Madres to commemorate the disappearances. I've added that in.

• "The footage was considered for the closing sequence of the film, but they eventually decided against including it." When you say "they" presumably you mean the band? Would be better to say this for clarity? Presumably you don't have any info about why the song wasn't included?

• I've reworded it as you suggest, but unfortunately I don't have any information on why they chose not to include it in the film. None of my sources discuss it, and a few web searches haven't turned up anything except lyrics for songs from The Joshua Tree'.

• "The song was played by Bono and The Edge against footage of the Madres on the video screen." Might be better to state "The song was played by just Bono and The Edge..." for clarity.

• So changed.

• "...noting that the regimes..." What regimes? You should probably make it clear which ones you are talking about or at least say "noting that particular regimes"

• It's heavily implied that he's talking specifically about Chile and Argentina, but he doesn't say that outright. I've changed it instead to "regimes in Latin and South America", adding in the Latin America since the author is discussing Bono's experiences in El Salvador.

• Have you considered adding a 'Technical' section to 'Personnel' as in "Slug"?

• Added.

Thanks for the review; I think all the points you've brought up have been addressed by myself and Y2kcrazyjoker4. It looks like most of what you said is related to prose, which doesn't surprise me in the least; I love building up content, but I'm terrible at making it legible! I hope that the changes we've made mean that the article now meets the GA criteria! Melicans (talk, contributions) 00:36, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

No problem - it was a very enjoyable article to review. Am happy to promote, good work! Cavie78 (talk) 16:03, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

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