Talk:Morgan Freeman/GA1

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Reviewer: Filmman3000 (talk · contribs) 18:32, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Early stages of the article review

I would say that the lede, Early life, and 1955-1969: Army service, further studies, and stage work now pass.

There is a part that I found confusing. In the early 1960s, Freeman worked as a dancer at the 1964 World's Fair and was a member of the Opera Ring musical theatre group in San Francisco.

I removed in the early 1960s since the world fair is in 1964, the mid-1960s. I cannot consult the book, so maybe they had to prepare early on that decade. If so be precise.

Also: From 1982 to 1984, Freeman was a cast member of the soap opera Another World, playing architect Roy Bingham. After several small roles in dramas, he starred in Marie (1985), a film adaptation of Marie: A True Story by Peter Maas, in which he portrayed Charles Traughber,[29] and also appeared in the miniseries The Atlanta Child Murders.

This sentence isn't cited and citation 29 is a review of the film where Freeman isn't mentioned.

Y @Filmman3000: References have been added. Citation 29 does mention Freeman, in the film credits list as Charles Traughber. LM150 19:31, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also: His sole project of 1991 was a supporting role in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, an action adventure starring Kevin Costner. The film was a commercial success,[43] but garnered mixed reviews from critics; The New York Times Vincent Canby thought Freeman played Azeem with "wit and humor" despite the "muddled" plot.[44]

That isn't the sole project that year since I added.

Freeman also narrated The True Story of Glory Continues a documentary about which gives more information about 54th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment.[45]

Hence I wrote sole film instead. You may want to skip over lesser credits, but you cannot write as if they don't exist. Also, the film is a Kevin Cosner vehicle no need to mention Christian Slater.

Okay, fair enough. It is necessary to skip some credits if they are not that significant. If we list every credit, do you know how long the article will be? This is why we have a full list at Morgan Freeman on screen and stage, which provides that detail. LM150 19:31, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have to stop reviewing at the point of Robin Hood. Please make sure the article is cited correctly and does not say anything inaccurate.

On citations, I would also recommend that you verify that before submitting articles, the same thing happened with the Chris Evans article you submitted.

Also, I would prefer it if you separate every year instead of condensing them into one paragraph, especially after the release of Driving Miss Daisy.Filmman3000 (talk) 18:32, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I do not mind separating the bigger film releases, however I disagree with separating every film by year. We will have too many 2 or 3 line paragraphs if we do this. Many other featured or good biographies do not do this either. Thanks LM150 19:31, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

After Street Smart in 1987, every film credit is significant, but I would include those prior since there isn't much. I mean every actor on the featured article list has a massive page.

It all depends if a person was in a streak of TV shows for the Hallmark Channel I wouldn't care so much.

e.g. She went on to appear in such roles in a few other television series from 2004 to 2007, including Veronica Mars (2004), Close to Home (2006), Blackbeard (2006), and Law & Order: Trial by Jury (2005–2006).

e.g. In the same year, Evans made his screen debut in a television film, The Newcomers; a family drama in which he plays a boy called Judd who falls in love with a girl (Kate Bosworth). Evans also had a lead role in the television series Opposite Sex which lasted for eight episodes. Lastly, Evans acted in an episode of The Fugitive named Guilt.

For me it's matter of amount.

I'll have a second lookFilmman3000 (talk) 00:24, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More citations missing

I was continuing, reviewing the article, and noticed three spots where citations were missing.

In 2002, Freeman was cast opposite Ben Affleck in the spy thriller The Sum of All Fears. It is based on Tom Clancy's 1991 novel of the same name, about a plot by an Austrian Neo-Nazi to trigger a nuclear war between the United States and Russia, so that he can establish a fascist superstate in Europe. The Sum of All Fears received generally mixed reviews but was a commercial success, grossing $193.9 million worldwide.

There is a citation about Box Office Mojo which confirms the money it made, but that site is about the money it made, not critical concenssus.

In 2003, Freeman appeared as God in the hit comedy Bruce Almighty with Jim Carrey and Jennifer Aniston.

No citations

Freeman narrated The Love Guru (2008), before appearing in The Dark Knight (2008), the second installment of Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy, in which he reprised his role as Lucius Fox.

The part about The Dark Knight is fine, but the citation doesn't mention The Love Guru.

To be honest with you, when I submitted my first article months ago I failed. I fixed the mistakes and didn't resubmit it or anything else until I felt it was sufficiently fixed. Because of this, it offends me a little that you are resubmitting an article with the same types of fault as the previous one you did (Chris Evans (actor)).

What you need to do now is go line by line and make sure every fact is cited correctly. When you are done, I will gladly have a second look.Filmman3000 (talk) 17:54, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"it offends me a little that you are resubmitting an article with the same types of fault as the previous one you did" - This is the first GAN submission for Morgan Freeman. It is not a "resubmission". Secondly, this is what a GA review is for, to identify the issues of an article. As a reviewer, please be clear on your instructions, would you like to quick-fail this article because of lack of citations, OR are you giving me time now to add citations? If you are giving me time, then I will and respond when it is done. LM150 20:50, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fact need to be related to subject, and citable

His sole film of 1991 was a supporting role in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves...

I trimmed this to: In 1991, he had a supporting role in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves... The reason I did this, is the citation doesn't confirm this. There is a situation with an action film sidekick Steve James (a far less important b actor who died young), who only had two leading roles in his short career. One of his leading role was totally forgotten, and if I remember correctly on his page someone wrote his sole leading role, while the fact was that it just forgotten that he had another.

Probably it is correct with Freeman because he is an highly verifiable mainstream actor unlike James. Unless it is an important point to make that it is his sole film appearence that year, for reason X. I recommend not to write things like that because it can lead to false statement. Especially in the case of obscure subjects.

On the film Sum of fears: Ed Gonzalez of Slant magazine took issue with the film's violent content, especially being released not long after the September 11 terrorist attacks.

What does it as to do with Freeman's performance or reason to have picked the role? It doesn't even matches the critical consencus of the film on Rotten Tomatoes. I cutted it from Freeman's page and pasted to the film's critical section. The information isn't bad just at the wrong place.

Anyways that type of stuff needs to be resolved from the article as well before I continue reviewing it.Filmman3000 (talk) 19:12, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It has nothing to do with Freeman's performance or casting. It is not supposed to match the critical consensus on Rotten Tomatoes - that is not the point. There is nothing wrong with giving context to the release of the film, which is what Ed Gonzalez does. Sorry, but you are now giving your personal preferences and opinions to the article, which is not the point of this review. Please see Wikipedia: What the Good article criteria are not. We want to try and give broad coverage, without going into too much detail. There was nothing wrong with that sentence. LM150 21:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes in Section Neutral: Requiring excessive representation of minor or insignificant viewpoints.

Is there a variety of people sharing that opinion?Filmman3000 (talk) 05:42, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Failed

Overall: I personally think that the editor needs to stop repeating the same mistakes. When he nominated actor Chris Evans, he was given feedback that was almost identical to mine. For example, having citations to confirm every sentence and so forth.

I told the user to come back when these are fixed throughout the article. It's been well over a week.

Pass/Fail:

Thanks, and sorry to make that decision.Filmman3000 (talk) 17:07, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Filmman3000: Citations have been added as per your comments. Are you going to continue this review? Otherwise I am asking for second opinion. Thanks LM150 17:04, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]