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Move to common name

Morena is known as Morena in Mexico and not as the longer spelled out National Regeneration Movement. While offically: Movimiento Regeneración Nacional, that is never used in reporting or speech. It's not even on the logo, at least not often. I think we should take the lead also from the Spanish language page which uses Morena (political party) as its article name and change it. Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 13:21, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Party ideology

In several edits many have listed social democracy as part of Morena's ideology. The party may have one or two thinkers who subscribe to that ideology, but the party itself is not social democrat, nor is cardenism (as one of the edits suggested) some kind of social democracy. None of the party's stances, be it their principles declaration or political programme have any reference to social democracy. Cardenism, like peronism or chavism, falls into the category of bourgeois nationalism, a particular political tradition within Latin America that traces its origins in the social constitutionalism of the early 20th century, not in any kind of socialist current like those in Europe (e.g. lassallism). Furthermore, the sources linked that "proved" Morena was somehow social democrat were both opinion pieces in newspaper articles and not official party stances, and the most recent edit adds a source on the history of cardenism that does not prove that Morena itself is social democrat. To suggest that would be disingenious; Morena's ideology is closer to social liberalism than social democracy, as proven by AMLO's references to Benito Juárez and the use of the Juárez eagle in the party's early logos. Sheendough (talk) 05:02, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In several edits, many are saying that MORENA is a democratic socialist but it is a social democratic party indeed! Some are saying it is a democratic socialist party — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.104.57.209 (talk) 01:44, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No official party sources claim MORENA is social democratic in any way. They follow a particular branch of left-wing nationalism, which is a different political tradition. Sheendough (talk) 16:33, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Morena is not socialist and please cite reliable sources

Morena is not a socialist party. It doesn't support workers' self-management, a planned economy or social ownership of the means of production. Some of their policies suggest that they are actually close to a social democracy, like their welfare state policies. However, I don't think this makes Morena fully socdem, but if you insist so much on calling it "social whatever" they are closer to being a social democratic party than a socialist one. Additionally, please stop citing opinion pieces as reliable sources. They are not. Especially if the authors of such articles do not even bother to cite sources that are backed by statistics and facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reallydumb2k20 (talk • contribs) 23:10, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]