Talk:Morebeng

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On 6 January 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Soekmekaar to Morebeng. The result of the discussion was moved.

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how to go to morebeng in full 102.252.66.136 (talk) 02:12, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 6 January 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. The most recent sources, even if scarce, seem to favour the new name. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 18:47, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Soekmekaar → Morebeng – Town has been renamed since 2005. Reliable sources regularly use the new name.

https://reviewonline.co.za/510704/agri-potatoes-sa-empower-female-farmers/

https://www.sabcnews.com/sabcnews/former-limpopo-prosecutor-sentenced-to-four-years-in-jail-for-corruption/

https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/limpopo/serial-limpopo-rapist-jailed-for-three-life-terms-47a040c9-db9b-5505-a6c3-ad38e38125d0

https://www.herald.co.zw/165-year-jail-term-for-zim-robbers/ Desertambition (talk) 23:49, 6 January 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. -- Aervanath (talk) 17:33, 15 January 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 04:07, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, as the name has not met the requirement of WP:MPN that the new name has become predominant in common global usage, per ngrams. Recent news results and recent scholarly results are inconclusive and show equal preference for new and old. BilledMammal (talk) 02:19, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support The results from Google News show that when the town is mentioned in current English-language news stories, the stories use Morebeng 65% of the time and Soekmekaar 39% of the time. This adds up to 104% because stories use both names 4% of the time. The Google News searches are weak evidence in support of a move, though it is concerning that in Ngram data up to 2019, there are no references to Morebeng, which is significant because it is claimed that the name was changed in 2005.

(The reason for mentioning the number of Afrikaans results was because they were excluded when calculating percentages.)-- Toddy1 (talk) 23:51, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. BD2412 T 04:15, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The Google Ngrams don't seem to support this change. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:47, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:00, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support As pointed out above, ngrams only run to 2019. Common usage recently points to Morebeng. Google News usage for the past month gives no results for either. For the past year, 10 for Morebeng, 7 for Soekmekaar of which one is the name of the dam, and one the name of the town in the childhood of the writer. Greenman (talk) 15:12, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- And four of the Morebeng results appear to refer the court, whose official name is Morebeng, not the town. As for Ngrams, if your argument was reasonable ngrams would not currently be widely used and accepted in RM's, as if they can't currently be used for a location whose name was changed in 2005, they can't be used anywhere. BilledMammal (talk) 11:40, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support official name--RicardoNixon97 (talk) 11:30, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Irrelevant. See WP:OFFICIALNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:30, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support While it is unfortunate that ngrams only goes up to a few years back, so we cannot see more recent trends, usage in Google news appears to at least slightly prefer the proposed title. It makes little sense that, in the case of a split such as this, we should somehow prefer the name that is not the official one. We don't decide on official names alone, but siding against it by default in case of a lack of overwhelmingly clear common name would just be silly.--Yaksar (let's chat) 15:06, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.