Talk:Moran's I/Archive 1

Archive 1

Denominator of 1

Equations S2, S4, and S5 have a denominator of 1, why is this? Paskari (talk) 15:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

What is I

I am trying to program this into python, and I realized that the article doesn't explain what I is. I'm assuming that I is a single number which tells you roughly that the data is highly organized, or totally random. However, it doesn't tell you anything about a specific point. Correct? For example, it doesn't tell what region has the highest concentration, or so on. Maybe this could be made more clear in the article Paskari (talk) 16:28, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

You're right: Moran's Index (I) is a global indicator of spatial association, so doesn't say anything about local associations. I just added a internal reference to Indicators of spatial association.--Kangreixo (talk) 12:10, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Question

"In practice, values greater than 2 or smaller than -2 indicate spatial autocorrelation that is significant at the 5% level."

The value of Moran's I ranges from -1 for negative spatial autocorrelation to +1 for positive spatial autocorrelation. Probably z scores are meant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.231.21.45 (talk • contribs) 08:40, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: Values -1,+1 are very wrong!. The issue is more complicated. See this link: http://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/66817/why-is-morans-i-not-equal-to-1-in-perfectly-dispersed-point-pattern — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.237.227.55 (talk) 19:28, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Expected value of I if there is zero autocorrelation

The article contradicts itself on this point. Is it zero or is it -1/(N-1) ? Presumably -1/(N-1) is the expected value of the biased ML-estimator or something like that.Helenuh (talk) 13:43, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Unhelpful z-test

The z test needs a z that is Gaussian distributed but I is bounded, so we would need the variance of some Gaussian transform z(I,V). The variance of I is not helpful for this purpose. Helenuh (talk) 14:09, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

source

Moras'I statistic is well explained, but the source:

Moran, P.A.P. (1950), Notes on Continuous Stochastic Phenomena, Biometrika, 37, 17-33.

is not correct. Moran discussed something completely different in that work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.157.1.184 (talk) 16:40, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

The source is correct, but the page numbers are 17-23. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.204.65.109 (talk) 09:50, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Some clue about where the wij's come from would make this article alot more useful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.49.66.240 (talk) 13:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed! I will add this shortly Nate Wessel (talk) 05:00, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

The wij's should be chosen so that point pairs, which would have a strong correlation under some plausible alternative hypothesis, have the highest weights. You could use the inverse of the Euclidian distance, for example. Hopefully someone who knows more about this can ammend the text.Helenuh (talk) 13:36, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

I think the expected value of Moran's I given in this section assumes no correlation. This assumption should be stated. Carbone1853 (talk) 16:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Formulas for deviation do not make sence

1) S3 depends on the data inspected, not just on the weights.

2) As noted above, what are all these 1 denominators?

Formulas in [1] seem to be the right ones.

Primaler (talk) 22:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Sources of mean and variance equations:

I believe the first occurrence of the formulas for the variance and mean appear in:

> Cliff, A. D., and J. K. Ord. (1969). ‘‘The Problem of Spatial Autocorrelation.’’ In London Papers in Regional Science, 25–55, edited by A. J. Scott. London: Pion.

However, I don't have access to this book. Online, I found another article mentioning the same equations:

> Cliff, A., & Ord, K. (1970). Spatial Autocorrelation: A Review of Existing and New Measures with Applications. Economic Geography, 46, 269-292. doi:10.2307/143144 ==

SamDM93 (talk) 20:16, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Extremely Unclear

I am having trouble even beginning to express my confusion about this article. Especially the "definition" which defines nothing. As given, X_i has no obvious meaning (to me, and I'd guess to most people). And then there's the image. In the checkerboard image, how would X₁ be interpreted? Are we supposed to guess what black + white means? And the caption of the image is awful. The definition requires assigning a weight matrix to compute I, so the claim that it's I value "is" -1 without assigning W is wrong.:: After some more intense study, I'd guess that the "neighbors" of a given indexed cell (spatial unit?) are themselves indexed and the (numerical) value of the variable (x) for each is used in the computation. If this is correct, it isn't clear to me whether the indices must be "regularly" spaced. Would a random graph (each vertex being connected to an arbitrary number of others across arbitrary distances) have an I value? How would you index it? Wouldn't you need at least 3 indices (one to specify vertex, one to specify "proximity" (i.e. least separation) and the third to run over the set with that specified proximity)? Do es the I metric require a (well ordered) grid of some sort? I think the article should also mention that this statistic requires a finite number of cells (units?). (As well as some other assumptions - such as that the 'proximity' is a known (or calculable) cardinal (ordinal?).40.142.185.108 (talk) 12:13, 14 June 2019 (UTC)