Talk:Montreal Carabins

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The result of the move request was page moved. Consensus is clear that a rename is needed, the issue is to what. This seems to be the title with the most support. Looking at the parent category is little help since it contains many variations. So this move is to address the concerns that the page needs moving. If consensus develops for a different name in the future, the page can be moved again. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:16, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Carabins → Montreal Carabins —

Under WP:COMMONNAME University sports teams are listed as the University's short name (Montreal) and their nickname (Carabins). Therefore, this page should move to Montreal Carabins and the redirect should be Carabins, not the other way around --Shootmaster 44 (talk) 05:23, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's not all that clear, the short name for the university is "UdeM". 70.29.209.91 (talk) 05:31, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Rename to' UdeM Carabins as "UdeM" is the short form for the University, alternately, there's always UMontreal Carabins. "Montreal" is definitely faulty, since a carabin is a type of cavalry, and the City of Montreal hosted several regiments of various types over the centuries. 70.29.209.91 (talk) 03:32, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the article needs to be renamed (after all, 70.29.209.91 mentioned that a "carabin" is a type of calvary). I just don't know if "UdeM Carabins" will work since they don't seem to identify themselves that way. Could this be an exception to WP:COMMONNAME where it'll be renamed "Université de Montréal Carabins" instead? -Mabeenot (talk) 09:56, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to Montreal Carabins. "Carabins" on its own may be somewhat non-unique, otherwise I would not necessarily jump to writing it off as a useful article name. It is normal, in English Canadian use, to call teams by University name - Team name and there is evidence in GoogleNews of that use. I do not see any evidence that there was ever a Montreal carabins unit and, if there was, it is unlikely to be called that and is certainly not the WP:PRIMARYUSAGE of the term. I choose not to use UdeM because, although that is a common short form, I think some context is already assumed when one uses it. I also choose not to use Montréal because Montreal is in common use in English as the Google search demonstrates, as per WP:CANSTYLE#French names. The full form, "Université de Montréal Carabins", is somewhat acceptable as being accurate but suffers from being too formal and not the way it is generally referred or linked to. It is better to use the common English name, Montreal Carabins. DoubleBlue (talk) 22:21, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment "UdeM" is in the same form as "UofT", "NYU", "BYU", "UBC" ... 76.66.203.102 (talk) 05:46, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Unlike NYU and UBC, I would say that UdeM is not how Université de Montréal is primarily known. DoubleBlue (talk) 22:36, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Well no, it isn't, since it's primarily known as Université de Montréal, but it is the short form, and the request is for using the short form. 65.94.252.195 (talk) 03:54, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - I agree that the common short form for the university is UdeM but I disagree that that is necessarily what we need to use. What we need to use is the commonly used English name. It appears to me that is commonly referred to as the Montreal Carabins. DoubleBlue (talk) 05:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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