Talk:Montezuma's treasure

Source problem

At least one of the sources you added to two article (Montezuma's treasure, Wolf's treasure) seems to not exist. You cited "James Howard, "Lost Treasure: The lost Arizona treasures", The New Yorker, May 3, 2010, pp. 76–83". However the 3 May 2010 edition has no such article. There is an article in that issue titled "Treasure Hunter", but it is completely unrelated to either of these articles you created. Your second source is poorly formatted, as it would be if it were merely copied and pasted from another article, such as Silver mining in Arizona. Further, that source seems to refer to a time period prior to the two articles you cited it in. What's the story? - SummerPhD (talk) 00:52, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Much of the unsourced material remaining in the article is from the original article, which was about a completely different legend. The original was completely unsourced. When sources were requested, the original author added completely fake sources (see above). The AfD on the article did result in a keep, but only after sources for a different "Montezuma's treasure" came to light. Two other articles created by the same author at the same time (and soon also sourced to fake sources) were deleted via AfD without incident. As such, I can see no justification for keeping the unsourced content at this point. If you restore the material, you are claiming that the material in question is valid. Please be sure to cite your sources. - SummerPhD (talk) 00:42, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Agree with this, and support preserving the article in its rewritten, reliably sourced state. All of the material I removed (and you re-removed) was unreferenced and unverifiable. Per WP:BURDEN, the onus is on the editor who adds or restores this dubious material to provide substantiating sources. Given the material's provenance (it was added by a confirmed and self-confessed hoaxer), this disputed content should remain off the article unless reliable sources can be located. --Muchness (talk) 01:56, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Dougweller (talk) 05:37, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

What happened

The buried treasure this article wad origionally about is a completely different treasure than the Casas Grande treasure, someone should have realized that before they changed this article to refer to a totally different legend. THIS ARTICLE WAS FOR THE TREASURE BURIED NEAR MONTEZUMA'S HEAD AND NOT THE CASAS GRANDE TREASURE.--$1LENCE D00600D (talk) 22:15, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Misinterpretation/misstatement in article

The last paragraph reads: "In March 1981, a construction worker in Mexico City discovered a four pound chunk of gold molded to fit inside the armor of a conquistador. His boss handed over the piece, valued at $32,000, to National Institute of Anthropology. Reports at the time linked the find to Montezuma's Treasure." This is wrong. When the Spanish were holding Moctecuzoma II hostage in his palace at Tenochtitlan, they discovered a sealed room. They asked him what was in the room. It was a room full of gold objects which had belonged to his predecessor, Ahuitzotl. Before they fled they melted the gold objects down into bars and took as much as they could carry with them. Tenochtitlan was connected to the mainland by a causeway. There were gaps in the causeway to let the water of the lakes through. These were spanned by bridges. As the conquistadors fled along the causeway with their thousands of Totonac allies they were attacked on both sides by Aztecs in canoes. When they got to the gaps in the causeway the bridges had been removed. Many of them drowned because they couldn't swim with their heavy armor and they were weighted down with gold. Also the Aztecs killed many of them. Eventually the dead filled the gap and the rest were able to walk over the dead to the other side. One of modern Mexico City's Avenues follows the route of the causeway and the location of the gold bar is believed to be the location of the gap in the causeway. These events, referred to as the Noche Triste, are historical fact but they have absolutely nothing to do with the modern treasure hunting hoax that Montezuma's (non-existent) treasure was taken away to Arizona while Cortez was back in Veracruz. After the conquest the Conquistadors found no gold in the palace at Tenochtitlan. They were told by the Aztecs that what remained had been spent preparing for the Spanish invasion. The didn't believe this and they tortured Cuauhtémoc and other Aztec noblemen to get them to reveal where the treasure was located but they said that there was no gold. When asked why he wouldn't reveal the location of the gold by one of the other Aztecs, to make the torture stop, he is said to have said that he was not resting on his bed of roses either. The only similarity between these two different stories in the phrase "Montezuma's treasure". Whoever added this to the article didn't realize this and has conflated the two stories, the real one of the treasure in the palace of Tenochtitlan and the phony one that the gold of the Aztecs was taken away to Arizona. This second one has no historical basis. This paragraph should be removed. Senor Cuete (talk) 17:36, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Treasure of montazuma

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