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what was the name of the blacksmith?
[edit]Can anyone remember the name of the blacksmith who found the black flint crosses? This was still being taught to us when I was at school, but I cannot remember the name now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olddemdike (talk • contribs) 15:25, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
- I have found a few sources: Legend of Waltham Holy Cross, St Catherine's Montacute Parish Church & Legend of Montacute but none name the blacksmith in the story. I have also looked in several books on the folklore of the county without any result.— Rod talk 18:27, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply Ron. Looks like another piece of folk-history lost. We were taught the name by the school headmistress - Miss Bryant. It was also in a pamphlett which the church published, which discussed both this legend, and Foister's Gibbett. However I've not seen a copy of that in probably 40 years, and I know the church has no record of it. Like so many old legends, its so hard to interpret the truth. Did the small cross go to Waltham, or did it stay at Montacute? If both went to Waltham, did the small one become the cross of Holyrood in Scotland? And what was the origin of the relics? Were they the burial site of an important early monk from Glastonbury - or even an early saint? Or was it a forgery created to gain prestige for Tofig - or for the religious house? Don't forget that one of the old texts relating to Joseph of Arimathea and the Holy Grail confuses the hills of Glastonbury and Montacute, leading some to interpret Montacute as the burial / hiding place of both. Both hills had summit chapels dedicated to St Michael (as so many are in the West Country) - an attribution which often implies earlier pagan worship on the site (St Michael was often equated with the Devil). Both hills would have occupied similar positions as high ground at the edge of the (then) inland sea. Even the Saxon name of the village - Logwarsborough or Leogaresburh - allegedly refers to one of the first monks at Glastonbury. Is that why the site was so precious to Harold and the Saxons? Was it the grave of an early christian saint? If so, which one? Olddemdike (talk) 21:37, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
- I'm researching Montacute including old stories and trying to get to the original facts; I'm putting what I find on my website https://www.becsnotes-montacute.co.uk/ if you are interested. I can just about remember Miss Bryant, she retired when I was about 7, but sadly I don't remember her telling us about the legend of the Holy cross! 212.159.114.95 (talk) 21:21, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply Ron. Looks like another piece of folk-history lost. We were taught the name by the school headmistress - Miss Bryant. It was also in a pamphlett which the church published, which discussed both this legend, and Foister's Gibbett. However I've not seen a copy of that in probably 40 years, and I know the church has no record of it. Like so many old legends, its so hard to interpret the truth. Did the small cross go to Waltham, or did it stay at Montacute? If both went to Waltham, did the small one become the cross of Holyrood in Scotland? And what was the origin of the relics? Were they the burial site of an important early monk from Glastonbury - or even an early saint? Or was it a forgery created to gain prestige for Tofig - or for the religious house? Don't forget that one of the old texts relating to Joseph of Arimathea and the Holy Grail confuses the hills of Glastonbury and Montacute, leading some to interpret Montacute as the burial / hiding place of both. Both hills had summit chapels dedicated to St Michael (as so many are in the West Country) - an attribution which often implies earlier pagan worship on the site (St Michael was often equated with the Devil). Both hills would have occupied similar positions as high ground at the edge of the (then) inland sea. Even the Saxon name of the village - Logwarsborough or Leogaresburh - allegedly refers to one of the first monks at Glastonbury. Is that why the site was so precious to Harold and the Saxons? Was it the grave of an early christian saint? If so, which one? Olddemdike (talk) 21:37, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
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[edit]Mike - will you kindly stop trying to correct something you know nothing about. You're trying to perpetuate errors - for instance Mons Acutus / St Michaels Hill was NOT the Durotriges hill fort Olddemdike (talk) 21:25, 28 October 2023 (UTC)