Talk:Monmouth Coffee Company

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A fact from Monmouth Coffee Company appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 1 January 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Monmouth Coffee Company in Covent Garden was one of the foundations for the third wave of coffee in London?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/January. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Monmouth Coffee Company.

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 08:18, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Monmouth Coffee Company in Covent Garden was one of the foundations for the third wave of coffee in London? Source: Financial Times
- ALT1:... that the Monmouth Coffee Company was founded in 1978 but was unable to buy coffee from individual farmers before 1996? Source: Fresh Cup Magazine
- Reviewed: N/a for third nomination

Created by TSventon (talk). Self-nominated at 00:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Nominated within one week of creation, and is over 1500 bytes, satisfying date and length criteria. The first two sentences of the history section are not supported by the associated ref. (It neither mentions 1978 nor the company founding, or even Leroy taking over the company, but does mention Saunders "had moved on" from Neal's Yard.) I will assume good faith for a few refs I cannot access. The statement "Monmouth Coffee was one of their first customers" isn't supported by the citation (but does support that they were a customer). Is Phil Wain a recognized authority in this field? If not, his blog should not be considered a reliable source. Hooks are suitably short and have sources. So, after a few minor sourcing issues are remedied, this will be ready to go. Mind matrix 20:10, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Mindmatrix, thank you for your questions, if the following answers are sufficient, if so I will update the article. Q1: The first two sentences of the history section are not supported by the associated ref. A1: I can replace that with two references: the New Statesman says it was opened by Saunders with a friend who later took over^[1] and the CNJ says Saunders founded the shop in 1978 and Leroy took over.^[2]
Q2: The statement "Monmouth Coffee was one of their first customers" isn't supported by the citation. A2: That was intended to be a summary of "Le Roy now had an avenue to get the coffees and information about them she had always wanted" and "outside of Monmouth, Stephen Hurst, the owner of Mercanta, had few roasteries clamoring for his product".^[3] Would "Monmouth Coffee was one of their early customers" be better?
Q3: Is Phil Wain a recognized authority in this field? Phil Wain is the editor of Caffeine, a magazine which is distributed at independent coffee shops, so I thought he was a reliable source for a date. He is named as editor in the media pack accessible via their web page.^[4] Nick Lander, the Financial Times journalist, wrote about the branch as newly opened in March 2002.^[5] TSventon (talk) 23:08, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, those address my concerns. Please make those changes to the article so that I can approve this nomination. I will assume good faith that the cited magazines have some reasonable level of credibility. Mind matrix 01:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you, I have updated the references. By the way, I also checked that Gwilym Davies, Jorge Fernandez, Greg Costello are mentioned online as ex Monmouth employees. TSventon (talk) 01:50, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging Mindmatrix. TSventon (talk) 16:58, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Robson, David (27 February 1998). "The prophet of Neal's Yard". New Statesman. Vol. 127, Issues 4366-4378. p. 32. Retrieved 19 December 2021. With a friend, he opened a shop and coffee house in Monmouth Street, which backs on to Neal's Yard . A few years later the friend took it over.
^ Ryan, Don (24 July 2008). "Quality coffee takes more than an instant". Camden New Journal. Retrieved 19 December 2021.
^ Eldridge, Cory (6 April 2015). "London: The Once and Future Coffee Capital". Fresh Cup Magazine. Retrieved 9 December 2021.
^ "Contact". Caffeine Magazine. Retrieved 19 December 2021.
^ Lander, Nick (13 March 2002). "A great new addition to Borough Market". Jancis Robinson. Retrieved 19 December 2021.

Comment: I've created Commons:Category:Monmouth Coffee Company and uploaded a few files from Flickr. Mindmatrix 20:57, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you, I hadn't thought of Flickr. The shop photos all seem to be Monmouth Street, you can see the vertical wooden beam and the statue with the hat in the window. TSventon (talk) 23:23, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Good to go; my preference is the original hook. QPQ not necessary, as this is nominator's third DYK article. Mind matrix 02:39, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0 to T:DYK/P7

[1] Robson, David (27 February 1998). "The prophet of Neal's Yard". New Statesman. Vol. 127, Issues 4366-4378. p. 32. Retrieved 19 December 2021. With a friend, he opened a shop and coffee house in Monmouth Street, which backs on to Neal's Yard . A few years later the friend took it over.

[2] Ryan, Don (24 July 2008). "Quality coffee takes more than an instant". Camden New Journal. Retrieved 19 December 2021.

[3] Eldridge, Cory (6 April 2015). "London: The Once and Future Coffee Capital". Fresh Cup Magazine. Retrieved 9 December 2021.

[4] "Contact". Caffeine Magazine. Retrieved 19 December 2021.

[5] Lander, Nick (13 March 2002). "A great new addition to Borough Market". Jancis Robinson. Retrieved 19 December 2021.

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