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Stunt

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Molly was part of an act named Stunt which reached number 9 in the UK charts with Raindrops (Encore une fois)[1]. I see this as quite notable but do not know how to work it into this article in its present structure. 86.4.169.14 (talk) 22:46, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/03/who-is-molly-smitten-downes-everything-we-know-so-far-about-the-uks-2014-eurovision-hopeful-4390380/

Birthday

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What's the source for the date? The current cite doesn't have it and the only reliable source I could find only has her age. [1] --NeilN talk to me 23:14, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

NeilN The original source i used was this but her DoB is also written here Thanks, Fort esc (talk) 12:48, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Fort esc discogs is not a reliable source. [2] I have concerns about the leics.tv source as it's opening sentence, "Molly Smitten-Downes is a British singer-songwriter. Born in Anstey in Leicestershire on the 2nd April 1987," closely mimics Wikipedia's style and could indicate the info was sourced from here. Looking into this, I see that they also basically copied your addition here. --NeilN talk to me 13:24, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
When the birthdate was changed to 2 years earlier, without citing a reference, @Surtsicna: refered to https://www.eurovision.de/teilnehmer/Grossbritannien-Molly-Smitten-Downes,molly101.html in an edit summary reverting the change. Before I changed it back again yesterday, I confirmed that this birthdate is indeed given in that web page, and so refered to that in my own edit summary. The page is in German, and I can't vouch for it's reliability, just that it exists. For all I know, it's reliable; for all I know, it's taken information from our article (which is what @You all love me: has claimed). If we can't determine the reliability of that (or some other) source, then we should probably remove the birthdate pending finding such a source. You all love me keeps refering to "birth records", but doesn't provide a link, and is now blocked for a day so can't participate here. I've pinged him above, so hopefully he'll chime in here when the block expires. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:19, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Birth records are available online: http://www.findmypast.co.uk — Preceding unsigned comment added by You all love me (talk • contribs) 12:37, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Floquenbeam: the eurovision.de source quoted above is reliable as it is the official Eurovision website for Germany. I can vouch for that as I am a member of WikiProject Eurovision. Also BBC Music from which Molly was found, shows her date of birth as 2 April 1987. The Telegraph also had an interview with Molly early this year and at that time they stated her age as "27", thus making her year of birth being 1987. @You all love me: unfortunately, your rationale is factual incorrectness. There could be dozens of other people around the world with the same name, and using a search method at findmypast cannot be used as reliability, for that simple fact. Wes Mouse | T@lk 12:51, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Additional sources that easily verify her year of birth. Seeing as we have established the day and month as 2 April.
  1. Daily Mirror May 2014 published after her birthday states she is 27.
  2. Eurovision.tv (European Broadcasting Union) March 2014 published before her birthday states she was 26.
  3. Official Charts March 2014 published before her birthday states she was 26.
Using simple math 2014 - 27 = 1987. Et voilà end of dilemma; verifiability resolved. Now let's move on. Wes Mouse | T@lk 12:58, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
AND THEY'RE WRONG BECAUSE THEY DON'T MATCH - we can easily establish that those are either sourced from Wikipedia or her management company which have been *fibbing*. MEANWHILE, to those with use of half a brain, BIRTH RECORDS ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE AT HTTP://WWW.FINDMYPAST.CO.UK - any unwilingness t look at them marks you out as a complete tool, Wes Mouse (talk · contribs). Now we correct it and move on. You all love me (talk) 13:05, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
These are the simple facts Wes Mouse (talk · contribs):
  • She was born in 1985
  • She lied about her age

How they can be simpler is quite hard to imagine. You all love me (talk) 13:10, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

More evidence to prove her year of birth as 1987. BBC dated March 2014 (before her April birthday) states 26. Virginmedia interview with Molly herself (dated after her birthday) states 27. I very much doubt the BBC will have her year wrong, especially when she joined BBC Introducing and you have to fill out your full date of birth, to which Molly herself would have done when she joined the project. Wes Mouse | T@lk 13:13, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oy! Calm it down and be civil to people, @You all love me:. Do you really want to be indef blocked for being such an arse? By the way my name is Wesley Mouse, you could at least link my name correctly. Findmypast cannot be deemed as reliable. Seeing as the BBC is reliable I doubt they have published the wrong year. To say that Molly is a liar is just bang out of order. But hey, if you want the artist to sue you for liable and calling her a liar online, then carry on. Wes Mouse | T@lk 13:16, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oi you prick yes you - Wes Mouse (talk · contribs) - It's not MORE EVIDENCE - IT@S THE SAME EVIDENCE Wes Mouse (talk · contribs) - it's the repeat of the same lie. For Chrissake try opening your tiny fucking little mind and listening to what I am saying. go to www.findmypast.co.uk and look up her name. It's not fucking rocket science. Now shut the fuck up before you are shut up. You all love me (talk) 13:17, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No personal attacks. Although I know how to handle my prick, least could be said for yourself. They are all different pieces of evidence. Now go do something useful like skinning a cat or something. Wes Mouse | T@lk 13:20, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, ad one piece of evidence - ORIGINAL BIRTH RECORDS - is reliable. The rest is just churnalism repeats of the same lie, You all love me (talk) 13:23, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So basically the EBU (official Eurovision company), the BBC (official broadcaster), BBC Introducing (the place were Molly set-up her profile), and all the other media who had interviews with Molly and she will have told them her age... they are liars? Yeah right! If they are liars, then Molly would have complained to them all for publishing her age wrong. Now get a grip and move on. And stop harassing me via my talk page too. Wes Mouse | T@lk 13:27, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty much. She (or her management) lied to them and took 2 years off her age. It's not uncommon in the entertainment industry. Meanwhile, if we have two briancells to rub together, we cna go back to the original - and reliable sources. Clearly journalists couldn't be bothered to do this. So get a grip yourself. Go the fuck to http://www.findmypast.co.uk type in her name in the box and what date comes up?

WP:RSN has this to say about findmypast. There is exactly one record matching the subject's details. If there are legitimate concerns about the correctness about the birth date then either both should be presented or it should be removed altogether. --NeilN talk to me 13:36, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@NeilN: the user wants to be unblocked so they can revert the edit again - clearly requesting to be unblocked so they can edit war. Anyhow I've also requested for temporary full-protection as a back-up solution, as I have a feeling they will be back as an IP in an attempt to block evade. Wes Mouse | T@lk 13:55, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For what its worth, and I am afraid I cannot reliably back this up, my girlfriend was in the same year as her at school. My girlfriend was born in 1985, as was Molly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaddyMcMack (talk • contribs) 17:46, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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