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Genre

The genre has been frequently changed for a while, so let's discuss the genres here and come to a consensus. After consensus is reached here, I think we should comment in the Wiki code that the genres are to remain unchanged unless first discussed in this section. I happen to listen to Mogwai extensively, and my opinion is that post rock, instrumental rock, and indie rock work perfectly well to describe this type of music. But let's discuss any additions or changes here. –Cosmopolitan (talk) 22:36, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The smartest thing would be to get some sources that corroborate their genre, and cite them. Less original research and less debate that way. Seegoon (talk) 01:24, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They are definitely post-rock, so I'd keep post-rock, and leave the other genres for debate. 82.46.111.137 (talk) 21:41, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What about avant-garde metal Syxxpackid420 (talk) 15:29, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, they may well be avant-garde, but they're certainly not metal, so that one is out. Black Kite (talk) 23:21, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- How about experimental metal. There are sources for it. Syxxpackid420 (talk) 09:54, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - I think practically all the sources for that are copies of a single article in the LA Times. Whilst Mogwai can certainly be (very) loud, and experimental, there's very little connection to any metal genre. Black Kite (talk) 11:17, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The LA Times is a reliable source Syxxpackid420 (talk) 11:29, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's not the point. We attach genres to bands where there is widespread agreement in multiple reliable sources that they fit that particular genre. We are not going to add a genre to every band, every time a single journalist has a single opinion. Not only that, but even that single source says that Mogwai are "inching towards ... experimental metal", not that they actually are. Black Kite (talk) 13:37, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- If it wasn't a good article why would it be copied so much. And that's splitting hairs anyway. Syxxpackid420 (talk) 13:58, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - It's not even an article, it's a live show listing - it's merely saying that Mogwai are playing a show in LA that week!! Listings are often copied from major newspapers by regional sources (not surprisingly). It's not splitting hairs - there's absolutely no way you're going to add a genre to a major band on the basis of a single four-line listing which doesn't actually say that the band is that genre. If you look, in those four lines the author also says that the Hardcore album includes indie pop and sludge - on that basis we could add them too. The two genres attached to Mogwai at the moment have literally hundreds of sources; we cannot start adding genres at random based on a single throwaway listing review, regardless of where it is published. Black Kite (talk) 15:02, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Atomic

Atomic is comprised of reworked versions of their soundtrack for Storyville - Atomic: Living in Dread and Promise, a documentary on the dawning of the atomic age that aired last year on the BBC. Is this considered the band's ninth studio album or is just another film score? I can't seem to tell the difference because the music press make it sound like their ninth album. What do you guys think? TheNecessaryEvil (talk) 05:34, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The level of promotion for Atomic seen in media, in record stores, and from the band's various online presences seem roughly commensurate with prior soundtracks (Zidane, Les Revenants), and included none of the super-high-visibility marketing, special editions, or value-add promotions that have become de rigueur for full-album releases by "major indie" artists, including for The Hawk, Hardcore Will Never Die, and Rave Tapes. I would strongly vote to remove it from the shorthand "Albums" listing on Mogwai's main article, as has become standard Wikipedia practice.2601:182:C701:B683:3073:10F3:AFB1:1D36 (talk) 19:06, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. The band even included the words "A Soundtrack By" on the album cover, signaling an intent to distinguish Atomic from its primary discography.2601:182:C701:B683:3073:10F3:AFB1:1D36 (talk) 19:09, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]