Talk:Modern Sign Language communication

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Merge discussion

User:Lfstevens interesting suggestion to have this page merged with the Videotelephony#Use in sign language communications page. but i am not sure about that. because this page is rather technical and can grow over time with the current rapid technology changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael.heuberger (talk • contribs) 23:19, May 30, 2017 (UTC)

Support merger. The topic has some validity, but the current article is a mess. For one thing, we can't use Wikipedia as a source. We can reuse the reliable sources form the referenced articles, assuming the references are there in the first place and that they are reliable. Much of the content does not even have a Wikipedia article as sourcing. Unsourced material and possible WP:OR or opinion such as "A modern communication tool is only compatible with Sign Language when it has at least 15 frames per second (fps) and a minimum resolution of 320 x 240 pixels" simply does not belong. We also don't write articles about what might be in the future. We already have a start on this topic in Sign language#Telecommunications and this material should be cleaned up and incorporated there. Meters (talk) 05:12, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support merger after a major cleanup. As it is the article is in very bad shape. Remove everything that is original research and unsourced; a link to Wikipedia or the article's website is not a source. That leaves very little. The table is poorly sourced and not very helpful, so it has to go. Any usable material in the table can be written as simple text. The word "Modern" in the title is so vague that it is useless. Modern in what respect? Every sign language in use today is modern. The article focuses on electronic use of sign language; just because electronic apps are modern doesn't mean the word applies to use of sign language. If this article isn't merged, it needs to be deleted until someone can create a better article. Sundayclose (talk) 14:47, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the concern about the title. If this is merged I think the original title should be deleted rather than remaining as a redirect. If article remains it needs to be renamed, again without leaving a redirect. Meters (talk) 17:37, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Opposed. These are otherwise unrelated topics. Wiki articles will sometimes contain a short section topped with the templates {{Main}} which produces Main article: Name of article, or {{See also}} which produces See also: Name of article. The Videotelephony article is about a technology that could be extended to sign language among other things, while the Modern Sign Language communication article is a list of tools, but neither is exclusively part of the other.
Suggestion: My recommendation would be to merge into Sign language § Telecommunications, not the Videotelephony article.
Christopher, Sheridan, OR (talk) 21:56, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good feedback, thanks heaps. Have mercy with me, it is my first article. How about I clean it up first here, get it into a shape before we merge it into the Sign Language page next to the telecommunications chapter? But two thing I do not understand are: 1. what's wrong with the table? I think it helps scanning content and looks good. 2. why cant i use other wiki pages as references? comment added by Michael.heuberger

Go ahead and clean it up. It has to be done, and there is no reason to stop improving things while this is under discussion. Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source. It is a user-generated site. Anyone can add anything. See WP:RS. As I said, if the information is in the article that you are referencing then it should be reliably sourced there, in which case you can simply reuse the reference in this article. You cannot just point us to some other Wikipedia article. Meters (talk) 22:37, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks. And what about the table, what's wrong with it? I think it helps scanning content and looks good. Michael.heuberger (talk) 02:25, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The content here remains unreferenced. The key issue for the table for me is that most of it just duplicates the purpose of Videotelephony#Use in sign language communications, and even just List of video telecommunication services and product brands, given that almost none of the content of the table is specific to sign language. There are currently only two "deaf made" products lists, but I note that neither of these has evidence of independent notability (there is neither a reference nor a link to a wikipedia page containing references). I agree that wikipedia pages don't constitute adequate references, also noting that the existing reference doesn't support the remit of the page, but rather a minor aside ("that it is not easy to put on paper"). Rather than merge to signlanguage, I recommend a highly-selective merge to Videotelephony#Use in sign language communications, and given that there are still no references perhaps just a redirect. Klbrain (talk) 04:00, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]