Talk:Mobile Internet device/Archive 1

Revision Dispute - Nov 3

Before I got involved with Technical Details of MIDs. Let me just brief give a layout of what was I planning on writing the article and perhaps the reference I give might be useful. Well for the very beginning I was not involved with the article at all. I was involved with Centrino 2 article improve and there was section on Mobile Internet Devices (McCaslin, Menlow and Moorestown) I believe was mention before in many news reporting website, but the rough roadmap was never really know to the majority, naturally many people think MID is just a marketing term. I was a little bit confused also, until I did some research. Sorry many of the info are incorrect after I wrote it. History of MID The history, well there isn't really a history. In the beginning there was AMD and OLPC try to make third world education better, and the idea of to use the statellite protocol, the exact protocol I didn't look into it, but that is how netbook was born. Naturally Intel wanted to join the market too so Intel created the Moblin Project. At that time a lot of processors manufacturers got involved too and started producing thousands of netbooks particularly targeted at third world countries, with the assistance of government help. These include Digital Textbook, netbooks. Go look at OLPC section, "See Also" and you'll find a lot of netbooks actually went into the market unnoticeably by the general society. The term MIDs was never really used until when Intel were ready to ship the netbooks and thought about expanding the Intel Atom processors solution bigger to mobile devices (Smartphones, PDA, EDA, Palm, PocketPC, Tablet PC, I will get into that later). If I am correct, that is probably the same time when Nvidia release the SoC Tegra. The MID term The term MID didn't got accepted or it was rather confusing. First MID (IMHO) should refer to any type of mobile devices. It was very controversial, because at that time thousands of electronic inventions unconditionally affected MID designs. Possible effects or characteristics Web 2.0 (a web culture, commonly confused that it is a technology) Internet (The Semantic Web and W3C documentations made people think about Semantic Web opening to several "Portals", since Facebook was one of the most sucessful platform out there, naturally people got confused that Facebook is a "Portal" and that is why some people think Facebook is Cloud Computing (opening to, not only internet portals, but different portals of science, information architecture / library of science)...etc. (For now I am going to say all mobile devices are MIDs, you'll see why later when I presented a layout of how I think or formulate how mobile devices should be categorized.) so generally speaking MIDs connotate on the meaning of "Portals" and developement. (You need to understand Mobile OS before I go further). So a lot of the mobile devices don't use OS at all, instead they use bytecode complier or Runtimes, since bytecode were easily implemanted and support cross-platform features, many projects started offering bytecode / runtimes (framework (ish)). Note that Virtual Machines are not exactly the same as bytecode / runtimes (in the study of Virutalization.) Companies that wanted more capabilites often use OS (traditional they use different "versions" of desktop OS or they developed a "lightweight"). e.g. Window Mobile / Embedded. As the time approaches to the generation of Digital Life, some devices started using POSIX (e.g. Darwin (POSIX OS) + iPhone OS (kernel) = Apple iPhone / iTouch) with their management system (usually framework) so they can support different frameworks / foundations (that have projects). e.g. Cacoo, Ruby (rails, rhtml)...etc. Its quite hard to explain, since almost every single company use their implementations differently. Apple iPhone / iTouch (Darwin (POSIX OS) + iPhone (OS kernel)) + MokaFive Virtualization others (OS + framework / management systems) Android + Java removed. - Don't ask me how the official Java works, I use to have the notes, but a virus destroyed my documents and apparently I forgot about it and now I have to re-learn it. but if I remebered correctly I think it was Squawk - J2ME (lightweight of JVM and support JavaFX RIAs) and since it is a low-level virtualization it can support multiple language without an OS, I will get into Virtualization next time. Why Virtualization, because a lot of DotCom want to have web servicesCloud Computing (storage, if you don't understand it, I am planning on the Cloud Computing article, but don't expect it too early, since that is a MAJOR project and not easy to understand topic. My theory of how mobile devices should be categorized Laptop (leisure, multimedia, business) Notebooks (office works, GMAs) Subnotebooks (lightweight) smaller, but larger than HandHeld PC, & UMPC often pair with dock station Netebook (Atom, Geode, Celeron, Via) countertop: nettop (desktop) e.g. OLPC HandHeld PC (Palmtop) electronic translator very common is Asian and SE Asian countries. e.g. Overview Tablet PC (ancestor Mobile Cellular Phone Traditional cellphones LCD screen introduced the hype of changing the cellphone shell introduction of Bluetooth Wireless Headset Keypads light effects and overall presentation design Camera Phones Smartphones Generation 0 / 1 Blackberry (same as cellphone) o not a lot of features, telephone, e-mail, text messaging, internet faxing, web browsing phones with slideable keyboard (phone is vertical, keyboard is horizontal) didn't receive a lot popularity and failed in the market HTC S710 Because of the failure, after a few months, the devices started to experimenting with copying PDAs and utilizing HandHeld PC. While other developers experimented with various form factor, see Template:Mobile phones (section forms) Helio Generation 1.5 (Web 2.0) Class: Tablet PC Type: PDA Microsoft ActiveSnyc oldest one iPhone / iTouch [1] (recently there is another major competitor, I forgot its name, I will find it tomorrow) Blackberry (no keyboard) [2] Uncategorized: Prada Instinct Generation 2.0 (EDA) Class: Tablet PC Class: EDA Blackberry (the mainstream one) o EDA Motorola MC35 Palm OS (fork of PDA) They are several of them IBM menu / Nokia Internet Tablet XrossMediaBar PSP menu (award winning) its controversial which one they copy from, so I am not going to argue PocketPC GPS and Location-based service. Notes there are no exact standards for LBS. [3] [4] Tablet PC There are some people that believe biometric scanner are the first type of tablet, because of its looks. pic. Controversially some people disagree and claims LCD Wall Hanger for Desktop PC, the idea of Multi-monitor and possibly the idea of client-advisor presentations are the prototype to tablets. Graphic Tablet Microsoft Surface. (Surface Computing) Surface Computing also encompass the idea of touchscreens used in galleries for informational guide, such as info about artisits. ePaper Noticeboards and Important Info (Please READ!!!) They are a lot of new types of devices coming out, but the info I provided is just a web version of my documents. Apparently a virus destroyed my documents, so this document was base on the backup copy I had which was not up to date, and I am still trying to understand how the iconic iPhone generation influence the developement of the industry. I'm still working on how to categorize various concept phones such as gPhones Android, videophone, Microsoft Sphere, the new PSP...etc. Note that UMPC traditional refer to very-thin notebooks such as Macbook Air, most news repoting companies use term like Rugged, Sleek... Later on the term was used more widely to refer to PMP shaped-devices that have extensive capabilites. Usually capabilities are equivalent to an office notebook. Controversially you could call a laptop a MID, because the idea of detachable LCD screen as a separate Tablet PC has been presented in 2 of Intel projects which they wanted the community to design their dream laptop. One of them is in IT Topia the other is WePC. Laptop business (vPro, AMT) multimedia (Viiv) leisure / office (centrino)

--Ramu50 (talk) 05:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow. Where to begin. This, in it's current state should NOT be posted.

• Citations citations citations! Much of this is baseless conjecture.
• Wikipedia does not publish original research or original thought. This includes unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas; and any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position.
• Copy editing -- I mean this from an objective standpoint and not offensively but much of your sentence structure is confusing and tangential.
• The term "MID" - please provide citations and reference if you would like to alter wikipedia's definition of the term -- NO original research or original thought. A description of valid sources can be found Here
• Recategorization - I can't say I support these changes. Once again, no original research or thought. Please provide citations for proposed changes.

FelixHcat (talk) 05:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I never stated this information is correct, its just that I look most of the discussion on the talk page and it looks like mumble jumble with everybody so confused and not having a common agreemnt of direction so I thought I provide some reference. Like I said this was only meant for reference, it took me month to understand a rough history, design trends...etc.

For me I just think MID is just a term that Intel use it for marketing, its basically Intel trying to conditioning people to use the word MIDs instead of Smartphone, which currently absoutley no association approve the usage of this words. You'll find that no asscoiation such as GSM, ISO, IEEE...etc approve the usage this words and futhermore they are almost infinite ways of you can argue on the meaning of MID, since every single companies publish their own opinion.

Sorry I place Prada and Instinct incorrectly.

Do whatever you want with the discussion, I am not thinking of contributing to Wikipedia anymore for the most part. --Ramu50 (talk) 22:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)