Talk:Mjolnir (comics)

The Hulk can lift the hammer

Just an FYI.

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 20:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Yep, he took it off Thor when the Avengers were fighting him, pegged Thor with the hammer, and almost finished him off with it before the Cap jumped in and saved him. Only this happened in the Ultimate universe not in 616, so it might not count. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.187.25 (talk) 06:47, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Red Hulk exposed a weakness in the enchantment where it depends on the force of gravity to actually work. Red Hulk grabbed onto Thor and the Hammer and jumped off the earth surface, taking Thor along for the ride and ending up in zero gravity. Red Hulk was able to wield and use the hammer against Thor in space. At the end of the battle Thor ended up on the moon and Red Hulk tossed the hammer down on the moon along with him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.209.242.33 (talk) 03:28, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I do believe that 616 Hulk was able to lift the hammer in a story line. I don't have any references so I won't add him. But can anyone add insight? --  Grimbear13 ►Talk  17:08, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

As far as I remember in Hulk vs. Thor Hulk lifts Mjölnir. So this is not the ultimate universe but the animated one. Though I don't know whether it counts.--BECK's 13:37, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't recall that in the movie, but regardless its non-canonical.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Wielder

Why isn't Hercules listed under wielders? Is he not allowed or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.238.78.170 (talk) 18:50, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

The Hercules of the Marvel universe uses Mjlonir to smash the head of the cyborg Thor clone. He does this in issue 7 of civil war. Also as stated the Hulk of the Ultimate Universe can pick up Mjolnir.

The Ultimate Universe Mjolnir is not the same item as the 'classic' one.Lots42 (talk) 21:08, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Hurts to say this (as lifelong Marvel fan) but Wonder Woman lifted Mjolnir in the Marvel vs DC Crossover tale where she had to fight Storm. The hammer transported near her after Thor panned Captain Marvel (DC), but she relinquished it before beating Storm because it would have been unfair... top gal. Should this be added..?

- HJ -

When did USAgent lift the hammer? I'm drawing a blank here.

Also, Should Superman be quantified as a lifter, as he only temporarily had the ability to wield Mjolnir? At the end of the issue, Mjolnir was unliftable by Superman. He was only able to weild it after Thor temporarily recended the limitation, an action only done under extreme duress.

Hmmm ... does this make Captain America worthy? I remember only one instance where he weilded it and, at the time, it was to return the hammar to Thor while he was being tortured.\

Maybe the test of "weilding Mjolnir" would be to lift it w/o the presense of Thor to recend the restriction.

- Al -

• Yes, Superman definitely does count as worthy to wield Mjolnir. Thor does not have the ability to rescind the "worthy" limitation...the limitation is an enchantment laid by his father Odin not by Thor himself. According to Avengers/JLA #4 (2003), because of Odin's wisdom and foresight, "A very few worthies have been allowed to overcome the spell, in desperate hours." Accordingly, this should apply to any person who has ever lifted the hammer outside of Thor.
  • (Besides, come on, he's Superman. Even if he were not worthy, which he clearly is, he is strong enough to lift Mjolnir even if that means ripping the ground out around Mjolnir along with it.)

It's long-documented canon that Supe's powers are ineffective against magic.

Superman "lifted" the hammer in mid-throw just like Eric Masterson did. It's CLEAR that BOTH Superman AND ERIC MASTERSON GRIPPED the hammer as Thor threw/tossed it. Superman has a STRONG weakness against MAGIC, which Thor's hammer is purely consist of throughly! Superman CANNOT lifted Thor's jock strap if even ODIN made him able to because he will NEVER be as THOROUGH as THE-MIGHTY-THOR! I know Wonder Woman can lift Mjolnir waaaaaaaaaaaay before an over powered farm boy can!!!!!!!!!!!ROOKIES!?!

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Applejuicefool 13:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• U.S. Agent has lifted Mjolnir though I don't know the issue so I won't add it unless I find it. It was an issue were the rest of the team was having a hard time getting along with him, largely due to U.S. Agent's abrasive personality. They weren't sure they could trust or count on him in a time of need. The Avengers get attacked, Thor's hammer gets knocked out of his hand, U.S. Agent apparently not aware of the limitation picks up the hammer and hands it back to Thor and keeps on fighting, the rest of the team is shocked and talking amongst themselves, and thus he earns their respect.

--Evmore 16:27, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

• • That wasn't US Agent, but rather Captain America, in the role of the Captain. Same costume different character.

In X-Men Annual #9 Loki gives Storm a hammer. He then states, "Her hammer is bound to my power by the spells that forge it... and Ororo to it by her lifesblood!" The hammer is flat on one end and wedge-shaped on the other. Later in the issue Loki catches the hammer in mid-flight and states that he helped forge it. The hammer is clearly not Mjolnir and therefore Storm is not eligible to be on the list of those who have lifted Mjolnir.

--ZW

Please note that there is no "bested in combat" exception to wielding Mjolnir. The Beta Ray Bill instance was a specific plan by Odin to create another protector for Asgard. Lochdale 05:08, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Strength has nothing to do with lifting Thor's hammer. Plus Superman has finite strength if you want to talk about sheer raw power Hulk tops them all. --  Grimbear13 ►Talk  17:10, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Most definitely true. As a matter of fact, Thor himself could not lift The Hammer once The Hammer decided he was unworthy. Thor v2 Iss 67. ROBERTMFROMLI ^TALK/_CNTRB 18:30, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Eric Masterson

Eric Masterson lifted Mjolnir prior to being merged with Thor, that's how he became merged with Thor. Eric was attacking the Mongoose with Mjolnir when he died.

What If ... wielders

I think a section on those who use the hammer in the What if ... series would be interesting. Notable hammer-tossers would be Rogue and Jane Forrester.

Conan carries the Mjolnir, after Thor dies, to battle Crom.

Another notable "What If" weilder was Crusader, the daughter of Cap America and Rogue from the last issues of Vol.2. Surprisingly, Thor's owns son wasn't able to lift the hammer.

DC lifters

The subject of DC superheroes lifting Mjolnir is on shakey ground, as these issues are not considered canon by both publishers. DC occasionally persists the storyline, Marvel does not.

AlGorup 14:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Marvel has accepted JLA/Avengers as part of its continuity. It just doesn't mention the DC characters by name. See the Grandmaster's entry in the latest OHOTMU. -Wilfredo Martinez 19:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

That is, at best, a tenuous connection. The cross over is not canon in the MU. Further, the only time it has been mentioned in the DCU is by the same writer who wrote the crossover. It isn't canon. Lochdale 03:49, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

This seems like a situation where a reliable secondary source would serve better than a primary source. We can argue all day over how to interpret the crossover itself, just as we could argue over how to interpret the Bible. An interview with one of the creators or company spokesmen, however, is far less open to interpretation. Can anyone cite a secondary source which says that this crossover is or is not canon? --GentlemanGhost 21:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Both Marvel Vs. DC and JLA/Avengers are considered canon to both companies. Access is a canon character, as is the Cosmic Egg. I've spoken to editors at both companies regarding this. JAF1970 19:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Other than your speaking to editors at both companies which, let's be honest, is very hard to verify, the Avengers/JLA cross over is not canon in the MU. Again, other than an obscure reference in a MU handbook (which as we have seen are unreliable) there is no mention of the crossover whatsoever. It just isn't canon. That said, I believe GentlemanGhost makes a good point and I too would ask for a citation. Lochdale 05:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

But it is canon for DC, as seen in the pages of JLA, the syndicate Rules storyline.

BWANASIMBA 03:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Which was written by the same writer who wrote the crossover. It is not canon in the Marvel Universe thus it is not canon for purposes of the MU. Again, please provide a cite that suggests otherwise. Lochdale 03:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Some dorkmonkey in a blue costume calling himself Access teleports himself into Jade's house in the pages of regular Green Lantern. So it's canon DCU has a teleporting dude who looks like Access. Just an FYI. That's all. Lots42 04:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Reversions

I'm simply reverting User:Asgardian's edits because they contain so many errors in formatting, wikilinking, citing sources, etc. I see no reason to spend hours going through and correcting these when we have pre-Asgardian versions available that don't contain these. CovenantD 00:48, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

There are no errors with the information. In fact, you need to pay attention. The measurements were there BEFORE the page was changed and are from the Marvel database. The grammer and spelling also needed work. The new version stands.

Asgardian 05:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Added a comment on how the name is pronounced in the MU as anything else it tad too confusing for readers.

Asgardian 09:25, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Can't we all get along? I liked the edits from Asgardian , as the article was getting much too long and needed rewording (especially the Usage area).

AlGorup 16

33, 26 September 2006 (UTC) <-- The guy who started the article.

Not that I mentioned them here, but the measurements need to go, period. Handbook stats are not used due to their notorious unreliability. CovenantD 19:04, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

useage

Grade-A adamantium such as that used by recent versions of Ultron or Captain America's Shield can deflect it (although can be dented after a continuous assault).

I think, but am not sure, that this sentence implied Cap's shield is made out of adamantium (it's not, it's stronger). The sole time thor dented Cap's shield (and later repaired it) was when he possessed odin's power, which is probably notable. Impulse 17:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Have padded out the opening paragrpah on Mjolnir, and added a qualifier re: Captain America's shield. Reverted back to the edited version as the other version had some "tell the story" aspects and did not group and list succinctly. The two crossover images are nice, but not as significant as the cover with Beta Ray Bill. Al, thanks.

Asgardian 09:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Mijollnir's forging

Should the events described in the last Ragnarok storline be taken so literal? It implies that the Asgardians have been around since the dinosaurs and if a star was destroyed then wouldn't it have destroyed Earth's sun? Since gods have a tendence to exaggerate things shoudn't this be clarified more?

I agree. The history is difficult to piece together, as my readings of the comic is incomplete. How could Loki sabotage the construction of the hammer when Odin used it to slay his father? I always assumed that there was no contact between Loki and Odin/Thor prior to his adoption. So how could he sabotage the creation of an object that he didn't know exists?

AlGorup 13:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

One thing that's common in all of Marvel's version of mythological "gods" is that the writers write almost all of them as being cocky, long winded, and having a tendency to use dramatic poetic license when it comes to describing things or events in their history. Another problem is that Marvel integrated the fictional world The Hyborian Age into part of Earth's prehistoric era. Marvel used events described during this era as part of way of shaping major events in Earth's history including the Great Cataclysm that sank Atlantis and all that. During the entire course of the various Conan The Barbarian comics that Marvel put out, aside from a few "What If?" issues, Conan had no contact or anything to do with modern day characters, nor did any of the "gods" in Conan's time. In fact, as far as I know, the "gods" of the Hyborian Era don't exist in the Marvel Universe now, exactly what happened to them has never been explained and probably never will be. Marvel tends to not delve into stories involving Earth's early history anymore since they don't own the rights to Conan or the world created by Robert E. Howard anymore. So, some questions, such as truly how long the various god pantheons have been around for instance, exactly how and when weapons like Mjolnir were forged, etc. are probably going to remain ambiguous at best.

Eric Masterson, Part 2

Should Eric Masterson be included on the list of those those who picked it up? The first time Thor summoned Mijolnir to himself and Eric just thought he had lifted it and later times Thor had been banished within Eric.

Stop with the Yo-yo

For several days now this page keeps shifting between two different pages. Can a single page be agreed upon or aspects of the two pages be merged?

A certain user - to judge from his talk page - seems to resent any changes to pages he feels he has juristiction over. This is a fallacy and also smacks of pettiness. Images can be changed and text can be made more succinct, as is the case here. There is nothing wrong with this.

Asgardian 03:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Page changes

I've tried adapting the best of both pages. The history given in the Ragnarok storline cannot be accuret if you take into account that the only gods to exist at the time of the dinosaurs were the Elder gods like Chthon and Gaea. They also pointed out in that story that Odin made the Earth and humanity, but since other gods exist like Zeus that story isn't necessarily true. Also, since there have been multiple Ragnaroks it is unknown if only one Mjolnir surivive all of them or if a new one was made each time. I have eliminated much of the repitition and included both images to try and satisfy both of you, Asgardian and CovenantD. Also, this article is not about Ultimate Thor's hammer which for all we know has no worthiness enchantment. That has not been stated one way or the other. It could just be really heavy requiring enough physical strength to lift it. Asgardian has documented many of the changes he made and things like Perrikus destroying it are FACT. Therefore, it deserves mention just as much as any other time Mjolnir has been destroyed. The extra information CovenantD give on the various enchantments give a reader addiontional information and clarrification about each enchantment the reader might be interested in. It is still divided up into the six enchantments making it easy to read. Wikipedia is meant for everyone, so since all the facts are true try to compromise.

Some of the storylines directly contradict one another, particularly as you pointed out the part about Odin creating Earth and humanity and all that. It's not accurate at all. www.marvunapp.com Try going to that site, they have profiles about many of the lesser known and/or rarely used characters in the Marvel Universe, including a lot of information regarding many of the Elder Gods. It might be able to help sort out some of the confusion regarding some of these storylines. There are profiles on the Midgard Serpent, Set, Chthon, etc. Odin's Beard 02:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Alternate History

Most of this is already present in the updated version:

In pre-recorded Asgardian history, Odin ordered the dwarven blacksmiths Eitri, Brok, and Buri to forge Mjolnir. (Eitri is already mentioned) They used the core of a star and a forge enchanted by Odin to craft the weapon. The forging process was so intense, it destroyed the star and nearly Earth itself (subsequently implying that this event triggered the extinction of Earth's dinosaurs, but several events have been stated to be the cause of this). (In Marvel history Set caused the extinction of the dinosaurs - see Atum)

--Both stories have some legitimancy since both have been mentioned. We don't know how much of it is tur5e which is why I have clarrified that several events have been stated to be the source of this. Seekquaze

Afterwards, Odin imbued Mjolnir with several self-sustaining enchantments (as detailed below). (In later section) For a brief time, Odin used Mjolnir. One such instance was in a lethal fight with Laufey, a frost giant. After Laufey's death, Odin decided to adopt his orphaned son, Loki. (Not really relevant - mentioned that Odin used hammer)

--The enchantment part just lets people know what Odin did to it. The later part goes into detail. It is relevant how Odin used it because if he used it to kill Loki's father when Loki was just a child then Loki could not have interfered with its making. Seekquaze

Eventually, Odin laid Mjolnir to rest until its rightful owner, Thor, proved himself worthy of carrying it. Towards that end, Odin subjected Thor to numerous trials and tribulations, in an effort for Thor to develop into a person noble enough to wield Mjolnir. Thor used to measure his progress by seeing how high he can lift the mallet. This is the only occurrence of anyone partially wielding Mjolnir. (Powers and Abilities)

--Does not fall under powers and abilities. Seekquaze

Mjolnir's forge was lost for a period of time. Loki found it and used it to construct Uru weapons to challenge Thor's rule of Asgard, subsequently triggering the events leading to Ragnarok. (Mentioned in last section with reference)

Which History?

Can either or both of the histories be found in an issue of the comic? Anything from real mythology should be in the main Mjolnir article and not here unless it's from a comic. Grey Shadow 11:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

The first history about the star, dinosaurs, etc. if found in teh issue I have cited. The other one I have been told appears in Thor annual #11, but since I don't have the issue I don't want to cite it in case I might be wrong.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seekquaze (talk • contribs) 06:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Correct. It happens in Thor Annual #11 - http://www.immortalthor.net/ Loki cuts off Sif's hair etc etc. As I said, if you can find a reference for the other version, we'll keep it. Regards
Asgardian 00:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I did reference the other version. It is in Thor vol. 2 #80. Seekquaze

Yes...that's the forges...but not the actual myth...
Asgardian 05:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

It references both. It states a that when the forge was used a star was destroyed and the dinosaurs became exinct. It then shows Odin using it. Seekquaze

The Marvel Handbook reference is fact. Mjolnir's measurements, unlike characters and whole stories, have never been changed. Besides, the argument for omission of any Handbook material is pretty weak.
Asgardian 02:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Copyright is a very big argument. Grey Shadow | Talk 03:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Almost everything on the page IS copyrighted to Marvel! Why source copyrighted stories for most things but neglect others? Logic flaw.
Asgardian 03:21, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

By now, you've probably already seen this, but just in case, the reasoning behind this is presented here. --GentlemanGhost 18:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Lead section

I took out the mention of Earth-616 from the lead section because it's not meaningful to someone unfamiliar with the subject (i.e., too in-universe). Also, its not discussed anywhere else within the article. If it is necessary to differentiate Earth-616 from the other realities within the Marvel Universe, I feel this should be done within the body of the article. --GentlemanGhost 22:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Citation requests

I have put the request for citations back into the article. In particular, something that is a direct quote, such as the meaning of the word Mjolnir, needs to be sourced. Asgardian, you pointed out in your edit summary that "by that logic all those other myths need sourcing now". The short answer is yes, they do. I'm not sure which myths you were referring to, but if they are unsourced, then yes, they absolutely should be cited. In my case, I am requesting a citation for the whole paragraph regarding the Norse myth above where I put the template. Just because it's a myth that was probably handed down in an oral tradition doesn't mean it shouldn't be cited. Surely there are viable primary sources for it. --GentlemanGhost 18:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Citations improve articles. Adding a citation to the myth section of the fictional character biography is one way to help this article come closer to "Featured Article" status. I didn't tag that section because I doubt its veracity. I tagged it in the genuine hope that someone will provide a good source for it. Removing the tag is not helpful.

As for the translation of Mjolnir's name, I am doubtful of it. Since no one has cited that translation in three months' time, I have removed it from the article. --GentlemanGhost 03:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Unnecessary info

Why note who can and can't survive a hammer blow? For example, the Hulk can survive a hit but like Superman, Thor doesn't always go all out which is why Thor can fight villans such as El Toro and kill him outright. Specific references are not needed. Lochdale 05:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know that it is necessary to list every single example of this, but I do think giving some examples can be useful in understanding how the weapon is portrayed within this fictional milieu. As for specific references, citations are usually only required in situations where there is controversy. However, in the case of comics, where much of the information is gleaned from a primary source that is published periodically, it is very useful to provide references to specific issue numbers. --GentlemanGhost 21:29, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I do see your point but it's very much like the "class 100" distinction insofar as it is very subjective. For example, Thor has knocked the Silver Surfer out before with a hammer blow and the Surfer has survived many other attacks. Which one counts? Should we not say perhaps that it takes a being similar or greater to Thor's power level to withstand an attack? Lochdale 05:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Canon

Both JLA/Avengers and DC Vs. Marvel are canon. 1. Anything dealing with Access is considered canon to both universes. 2. JLA/Avengers is canon - as is the Cosmic Egg. Read the JLA/Avengers supplement. JAF1970 01:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Further to this, the mentio of using Mjolnir as a powersource has been placed where it belongs, in the rarely seen Abilities section. It is not, however, one of Odin's enchantments.

Finally, two images is sufficient. Any more is clutter, and as indicated this is not a fan site.

Asgardian 10:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Cameos?

Would cameos be noteable? Mjolnir as appeared in the Tellos one shot 'The Last Heist'. (Pretty sure it's the hammer, Alan Scott's lantern is one page before...). Lots42 (talk) 10:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

How seperate is Mjolnir from Thor Wiki-wise?

In one incident Thor's hammer is possessed, even going so far as to almost kill a radio D.J. In another, it's seperated from Thor, landing in Nebraska. Thousands line up to lift it, failing of course (but benefitting a clever, nearby doctor specializing in hernias). A millitary base is built over the hammer, then Doctor Doom himself attacks, killing many innocent soldiers in an effort to claim it. In conclusion, when does an event become noteable re: the hammer, seperate from Thor the entity? (Cap once sacrificed his shield in order to save a sailor's life; this is note on the shield page if I recall correctly). Lots42 (talk) 20:14, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 02:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Spiderman

I'm pretty sure I saw, out this month on the shelves in 7-11, an issue of the alternate reality series 'Marvel Adventures' with the cover showing Spider-man weilding the hammer. That was a long sentence. Lots42 (talk) 11:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Third Party tags

The argument for/against these debated here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Melter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ego_the_Living_Planet

A consensus showed they cannot really apply to most comic-related articles.

Asgardian (talk) 05:29, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Those discussions are huge. What is a 'third party tag' and how does it apply to this article? Lots42 (talk) 09:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

It just means that articles should have references that aren't directed related to them. So the comic books are primary sources and we need to add some secondary sources - so interviews in books, articles at newsarama, that's it. Leaving aside Asgardian's frankly odd reading of those AFDs, it's just a standard use of a clean-up tag. --Cameron Scott (talk) 10:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Weilders

There's no reason to be swearing and so angry in the edit summaries, people. Either a character weilded Earth 616 Mjolnir or he (or she) didn't. Lots42 (talk) 10:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Another Note on weilders-Hercules, Red Hulk, and Superman

First off, to my knowledge Hercules has never wielded Mjolnir. In Civil War it was a fake. A technological copy created by Stark and Richards nothing more. If you know of an instance where Hercules wielded the real one name the issue. If you do not know the issue name the instance and overall storyline. There are resources on the Internet where the issue number can be found. If you can't name either of the two please stop changing it because there is no evidence Hercules ever wielded it.

Red Hulk-Technically he did not wield it the same way the others did by proving himself worthy. Loeb used shoddy reasoning to get around it. There have been numerous discussions on the problems with getting Thor up into space with it. So RHulk does not make the list. Not because the comic was sloppily written, but because he did not pass the worthiness test like the others.

Green Hulk has never wielded it. Ultimate Thor's hammer (hammers?) is different and has no such enchantment. The only time Green Hulk has lifted classic Mjolnir is when Thor has had all of the enchantments removed from it.

Superman technically did lift it, but the wording by Thor after words was somewhat ambigious. He seemed to be implying that due to emergence circumstances Superman was able to lift it once but not later unlike other characters like Beta Ray Bill that could wield it at any time. Nevertheless, he did wield it and get its power, so since the list is not going into specifics I think he makes it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.31.67.124 (talk) 02:05, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Weilders

There's some special HTML we can use so when someone opens up the weilders section to edit, they -could- see a warning not to add 'Hulk'. We need to put such text in and I do not know how. Lots42 (talk) 05:25, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

BTW, what about that what-if issue where Rogue and Captain America's daughter was given the hammer by Thor, after she lifted it? Lots42 (talk) 04:52, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Pieces

A piece of Mjolnir ended up causing the creation of Inferno (Joseph Conroy). We should somehow note that the hammer was messed up in the first place and then repaired at the steel mill and a flake left behind. Not sure where I could insert this info. Lots42 (talk) 09:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposed merge

Now, from a cursory look, it seems like merging this into Thor (Marvel Comics) is not a good idea, due to page size concerns. However, if you take a deeper look, you'll notice independent notability for the article subject has not been established in the article, and the prose is primarily in-universe detail that cites fictional stories as sources. Basically, most of the article is junk, and that won't do. Once you strip away all the in-story details, you're left with little, if anything at all, to warrant a separate article. What this article needs if it is to stay a separate page is information from reliable secondary sources establishing its notability, as well as elimination of in-universe fancruft. Otherwise, might as well merge what useful information remains after a severe culling into the Thor article. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:43, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

By the way, I compared article sizes. The Thor page is about 31kb, and this page is about 12kb. There is really is no reason they should be separate under article size considerations. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it is just fine this article exists seperately. Thor's hammer is a very unique object in the Marvel Universe. Very few can even -lift- the darned thing in the first place and dozens and dozens have tried. It has unique abillities, has been possessed, lost, damaged, duplicated, turned into a stick, turned into nothingness... Lots42 (talk) 11:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

That does not solve the problem of real-world notability. What happens in the stories is irrelevant if no secondary, third-party sources discuss the article subject. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Against.The articles are fine on their own and would not benefit from being merged together. -TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

most of the article is junk, and that won't do. is very inflammatory. I can have a look, and tidy it up as out of universe is in vogue, but it should stay separate, just as the Media section is. As for notability, that battle's been fought already. We do the best we can with the articles, but don't go down that road as by that logic there would be no articles. Keep as is. Asgardian (talk) 03:51, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't see how my statement is inflammatory; it's not like it was a personal attack. My comments have to do with some very valid concerns i have with the article content. The article does fail to meet several guidelines, and it's bogged down by excessive in-story details. if the article's notability has been established by past discussions, then why is there no establishment of this in the article itself? Simply existing does not tell anyone why it's important from an objective viewpoint based on reliable third-party sources. Most of the article's content can be removed by any editor passing by, due to lack of secondary sources. That's how bad a shape this page is in. WesleyDodds (talk) 06:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Nope: No Merge. Good as is. Ty. Tubesgirl (talk) 19:49, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Edits

Just a note to explain that the formatting has to be consistent (eg. no such thing as "vol. 1") and that we try to keep articles on focus. For example, yes, the effect that Mjolnir has on Union Jack is worth a mention, but not a side discussion on the properties of electricity. Also note that the Presence was in fact being drained of his life (hence the withered look) and Red Guardian had to beg Thor to stop. Also, one reference is enough to reinforce a point. Hope that helps. Asgardian (talk) 06:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: edits, please also note that the use of "vol. 1" is unnecessary, and that all sources need to be accurately dated. One source will also do, and we try for the best. Re: the God Force, the mention in the third volume of Thor is sufficient as the character describes it as it being charged up and used. Many thanks. Asgardian (talk) 06:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Formatting is a minor issue that I have no problems with whatsover if you or anyone else fill in date and similar for in the cases I don't have them at hand. My main problems are two-fold:

One, you repeatedly remove accurate references, whereas I keep yours. In this case that in "Alone Against the Celestials" the warlord of the threatened planet stated that their most powerful machines could not budge it from the ground, and when placed in the middle of the desert after the rfall of Asgard, the entire point of the storyline was that the army surrounded it because nothing and nobody could move it from the ground. This is noteworthy enough to keep as a contrast to that certain androids and machines have lifted it through special circumstances (Gabriel Lan could simply be worthy for all we know. He was a disciplined decorated military man who gave up his freedom for his planet's survival after all, which is in line with what we know of the type Simonson said the hammer prefers, "honourable killers"; Awesome Android copied Thor at the time; And Destroyer was inhabited by Thor, although it may have wielded the hammer elsewhere as well, and is a fellow construct of Odin's magic, so it's hard to say).

Two, you reinsert inaccuracies about "life force" being involved with restoring "Union Jack". In all instances I've seen what happened is referred to as "draining him of lightning overload" (which is a point wherein physics turn a little too silly, but I digress). Regardless, "restoring life force" is not mentioned. Also, as far as I remember, "life force" was not mentioned regarding the Presence either, only that Thor was draining his energy reserves, but the villain is supposed to be virtually "made of radiation" so you're stretching the leeway of interpretation too far. Able to "absorb energy" in general is far more neutral, as it is less specific, and can include many different areas.

I think you let go of inserting that the hammer depowered the Juggernaut though, which is good, as it didn't, it was able to neutralise the force field for a very limited time, but not long enough for Thor to actually claim a victory, but I will have to recheck.

Beyond this there's a minor discrepancy in that I prefer to reference earlier and more extreme uses of the "God-blast" (but have skipped the descriptions that it did in fact pierce the armour of a Celestial and drive away Galactus, as Thor stated himself when using it against the Juggernaut, as these bothered you) rather than more "rudimentary" cases. Dave (talk) 19:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Problems

The 'biography' section should be merged into the powers and abillities section. We're missing tons of info in general on the page of noteable stuff. Like when Mjolnir laid for weeks in the mid-western field and thousands lined up to try and lift it. Or the times when it was used (in anger and in test) against Captain America's shield. And when it has been posessed (almost killing an innocent man by itself) or when it hides in non-existence (Jake Olson). Lots42 (talk) 17:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Why do you think any of that is notable in the sense that we use the term? That is to say, what real world impact are we describing? What reliable sources have discussed these matters? --Cameron Scott (talk) 19:48, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

If worded and incorporated correctly, it would indeed help emphasize this:

"one of the mightiest weapons of both man and god." (Marvel, one of the OHOTMU's description)

As it acts as if it is sentient or near sentient (Marvel, latest entry on Marvel.com, as well as an Avengers or Thor iss at Avenger's mansion) and is such a powerful weapon (so powerful, that not even Thor risks unleashing it's full power (various Thor issues)), then I would vote for it being treated near like a character, thus requiring some of it's "feats" to indicate how powerful it is. Something that differentiates it from a mere hammer (or even a relatively powerful weapon that is shaped like a hammer) to one of the most powerful weapons in the Marvel universe.

BUT, I wont advocate adding any entry that does not fit within Wikipedia's criteria or guidelines... inotherwords, portraying such (to me) is fine - if done appropriately. And no, I would rather not write up something for this (as I dont think my writing skills suffice), but I will gladly provide input, refs or whatever to help anyone willing to take on the task - with the understanding that, even with my input on it, I will not vote for the finished addition's inclusion unless it meets all of the appropriate rules and guidelines.

Best, Robert

RobertMfromLI | User Talk 23:35, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, anything truly significant can be added, but it would have to be just that. I'd wager most things could be boiled down to a sentence or two and the right source. Asgardian (talk) 08:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Exactly. "In Issue Whatever, Thor loses control of the hammer, it almost kills So-and-So. In issue Something, it is revealed the hammer had been taken over by Whomever.". Lots42 (talk) 14:18, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

But what reliable sources discuss any of this? There is already all sorts of minutiae that can be added into such articles, but why would we want to? As the article is currently written most of it should be scrubbed anyway. --Cameron Scott (talk) 18:59, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Removing information? As the article stands, I disagree. And yes, third part sources are important, but so is comic book references. For example, the X-Men cyclops article, referencing the comic book issue where he finds his long-thought-dead dad would be perfectly valid. Lots42 (talk) 23:06, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

But without third party sources, you have no idea what weight to give to 'events' so you simply fall back on your own memory. Mjolnir has appeared in stories for almost 50 years, are you going to list the "important" events from every issues or not? If you are not and you are not using reliable sources to determine what is important, then what criteria are you using? --Cameron Scott (talk) 15:31, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

To Cameron; dude what? Seriously, what? You are making very little sense. -Citing- issues and citing third party sources are what I am advocating. See Barbecue (G.I. Joe) for an example. Lots42 (talk) 03:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

You don't understand what I'm saying to you - that something happens in an issue is trivial, we are only interested in discussing it if it is the subject of a reliable third party source. So if Mjolnir is used to kill someone, we are only interested if a 3rd party source *discusses* that and provides critical commentary. Simply citing issue after issue of the primary text does not cut it. --Cameron Scott (talk) 13:06, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I see what you are saying but for me, one more time and that's it; I am saying third party sources AND issue citations are both good for an article. Lots42 (talk) 19:55, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

But the issue cites are only worth something if uses in conjunction *with* third party sources - otherwise *you* are deciding what is important and we don't do that. --Cameron Scott (talk) 12:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Dude, I agree with you! Please understand this. Lots42 (talk) 07:28, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Ref

ref>Marvel Comics Encyclopedia: The Complete Guide to the Characters of the Marvel Universe (2008), page #24. Published by DK Publishing. ISBN 978-07566-2358-6</ref - With the appropiate HTML, a good ref for this page. Lots42 (talk) 04:48, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Other hammers?

Marvel Zombies universe - Thor wasn't weilding his hammer. Obviously eating people made him not worthy. Is there a Mjolnir hanging around the M.Z. universe? I know there's a few humans on the M.Z. earth should be worthy of weilding it... Anywho, Marvel 2099. Many of the characters worshipped Thor and wore imagery of his hammer. Did the real hammer show up? I know a sci-fi copy did... Lots42 (talk) 09:38, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Spelling Mjolnir vs. Mjölnir

Is it really to be spelled Mjolnir or rather Mjölnir like the mythological original?--BECK's 15:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

The comics have historically not used the closer-to-Norse spellings, so no umlaut. - J Greb (talk) 21:51, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification.--BECK's 21:17, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

"Created by" Stan Lee, et al?

I disagree with the use of the term "created by" when describing the comic origins of the hammer. It is more like they incorporated the existing mythology into the Marvel Universe. 98.176.33.221 (talk) 04:36, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

The same wording is used in the Thor (Marvel Comics) article. In both cases, other sentences within the lead section clarify that Stan Lee, et. al., were creating a representation of the Norse myth. As currently written, I think that it is clear enough to show that the concepts pre-date the comics. However, if you think you can tighten up the phrasing, be my guest. :-) --GentlemanGhost (converse) 19:51, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Mjolnir expy in Planetary

I don't have an issue reference, but one of Planetary's issues (in the second trade paperback collection) features a mysterious hammer that takes the innocuous form of a gnarled walking stick... familiar much? Maybe someone can work it into this article. Samf-nz (talk) 07:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Planetary references a LOT of other comics. Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Superman...just saying is all. Lots42 (talk) 13:12, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Why is Storm listed as someone who can lift Mjonir?

She never at any point did. She lifted Loki's fake hammer.

Closest thing she does to lifting it is directing Thor's arm while in a trance and not acting as Storm.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/107222/3971372-stormthor_zps22ec51f0.jpg

If we have her listed we have to list Thunderbolt Ross (Rulk) for having lifted Mjonir too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivory Ebony (talk • contribs) 03:53, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Vision?

I noticed vision on the wielder's list. If the Red Hulk is not included because he found a loophole in the enchantment, Shouldn't Vision be excluded in the MCU for the same reason? clearly the MCU has it's own rules and loopholes.

I'm pretty sure the "elevator is not worthy" is supposed to point our that Vision didn't necessarily prove his worthiness by picking up the hammer...

and to paraphrase https://www.quora.com/SPOILER-ALERT-Why-was-Vision-able-to-lift-Thors-hammer-in-Avengers-Age-of-Ultron article,

vision didn't exactly go all glowy and electricy or gain more strength than before he wielded the hammer.

BlueArcher (talk) 00:45, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Hela (MCU)

I note that Hela is listed as a wielder of Mjolnir within the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the source provided for this claim is Thor: Ragnarok. In that movie, however, Hela never actually wields the weapon – she is merely shown as grasping the weapon, which struggles in her hand as Thor maintains control of it. For this reason, I'm of the opinion that she should be removed from the list. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 15:23, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Since nobody has objected to my proposed change after seven days, I'm going to go ahead an action now. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:29, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Wielders section

The "In other realities" section of the wielders section is poorly formatted and lacks citations, besides a haphazard link at the bottom. Should be rewritten or removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.88.164.147 (talk) 23:12, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

• Done. I am in the process of reworking the entire article so it is more logical and the information-heavy sections are easier to read. Asgardian (talk) 20:41, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Moon knight

Moon knight could also call on and wield Mjolnir also correct? It was supposed to be made of moon rock. 71.85.131.207 (talk) 23:34, 18 January 2022 (UTC)