Talk:Mixed Breed Dog Clubs of America

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Removing this flag: {{dated prod|concern = Non-notable club. No references listed (besides their web site, which doesn't count), and I couldn't find anything online. (As an aside, I'm still not sure what the meaning is of a [[breed registry]] of animals which can't breed, and whose parentage isn't known.)|month = February|day = 29|year = 2008|time = 09:29|timestamp = 20080229092927}}

because:

Mixed Breed Dog Clubs of America is a quite wide-spread organization. Events sanctioned by it are held all over the country. It's almost the only venue in which non-AKC breeds can earn obedience, conformation, and rally-o titles. The MBDCA is the parent organization--note the "Clubs" in the name-- but a lot of its members are within its subsidiaries, such as Mixed Breed Dog Club of California (MBDCCA or MBDCofCA), Mixed Breed Dog Club of New York, etc. I'll add a note to the article that they're all interrelated. When I do a search for "Mixed Breed Dog Club", I get almost 9,000 hits. I get 2300 hits for "Mixed Breed Dog Clubs of America," so not sure what the search was actually done on.

It's not a breed registry in terms of who the parents are for breeding--AKC does a fine job of that, sometimes; it's a club in which dogs that the AKC doesn't recognize--which are the majority in this country--can compete in events from which they would otherwise be excluded. Elf | Talk 00:14, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd searched "Mixed Breed Dog Clubs of America" and gotten ~2000 hits, of which the first five were all MBDCA's own web site and Wikipedia. The main part I hadn't realized was that this was an umbrella organization - I'd been looking for evidence of events held directly by MBDCA, which weren't showing up. Zetawoof_(ζ) 02:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Removed this: {{Proposed deletion/dated |concern = Fails [[WP:GNG]]. The one cited source falls short of [[WP:SIGCOV]], I can find a number of sources that mention the organisation, one provides a similar amount of information whilst the rest provide significantly, therefore they too fail to provide WP:SIGCOV. |timestamp = 20210301033342 |nom = Cavalryman |help = }}

I will try to find other resources about this club. For most of four decades it was almost the only organization that provided the same services for dogs who weren't eligible to be members of AKC, which restricted dogs to only those who were purebred according to their definition and only of breeds that they reconized. So, if your dog was not a purebred and wanted to compete in obedience or conformation or tracking and so on, until MBDCA came along in 1978, you were relegated to the "not a real dog" pit of "not worth training or competing with." The organization's rules for competition and championships mirrored AKC's in many ways, although with some modifications that made more sense in this context. The club also mirrored the structure under AKC--rules for each breed's conformation and breeding are established by that breed's national club--for example, a selected Boston Terrier Club [of America] or a selected Labrador Retriever Club [of America]; what was lacking was a national organization for all the dogs who didn't qualify for AKC, which vastly outnumber the dogs who qualified. When AKC finally realized how many dogs they were missing out on making money from (I'm trying not to be cynical), they started gradually allowing all these other dogs to register in a limited capacity that allowed them to compete in most dog sports, although there was still no conformation standard for mixed breeds, with the Mixed Breed Clubs of America still provides. I don't know what the membership size of the MBDCA was at its peak, but the various subsidiary clubs had events and activities both separate from and loosely affiliated with the AKC. The fact of its demise due to AKC's changing policies does not negate the role that MBDCA's presence and activities likely also pushed the AKC towards embracing the previously outcast dogs. So -- I believe that this page should stay. It needs updating certainly. I suspect that most mentions would be in general dog-related publications, which might or might not be online. I might be able to find references in some books. Not sure when, though. Elf | Talk 06:12, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Elf, I didn't realise the article had already been PROD'd so you were right to remove the tag either way. I will gladly leave it a couple of months to give you some time to find some references, in the interim I will attempt a rewrite with the few scant sources I can find. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 00:52, 2 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Hello Elf, I was wondering how you are going with sources for this page? Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 23:25, 19 April 2021 (UTC).[reply]

this year is not the best year for me to have promised this. I am trying to get ready to sell my house, trying to get ready to retire, trying to empty my house hopefully half the things so that I can move to a smaller house, blah blah blah so many excuses. I think I still have contact information for one or two other members from back then; I’ll see whether they have anything useful. Elf | Talk 15:25, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]