Talk:Mississippi Highway 548

Mississippi Highway 548 was one of the Engineering and technology good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
January 4, 2015	Good article nominee	Listed
January 27, 2015	Good article reassessment	Delisted

Current status: Delisted good article

United States: Mississippi Low‑importance

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Notability and OR

So do we need to bring these three things again?—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 19:49, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Never seen those before. My favourite standbys are WP:WIAGA, and WP:GNG myself. In my view, no source here contains significant coverage, though all are reliable and some might be secondary and independent. Maps cite everything, so it's like citing the phone book. Check out the excellent User:Uncle G/On notability essay for more thoughts. A way to resolve this would be to nominate this article for Did you know?, which I could do but I can't think of a hook for it. If you can think of one, please nominate it and it will attract interest hopefully to expand the article. I was stuck to find a single independent and reliable source (unlike, say New York State Route 129, which has multiple citations to the New York Times). Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:13, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So, let me get this straight. Are you arguing that the article should be straight-up deleted or just that it shouldn't be a Good Article. Your mention of GNG and that notability essay make me think the former, but you should know more than almost anyone that an AfD of this article would be SNOW closed. T C N7JM 21:07, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not suggesting that at all, rather simply I would like to improve this article, am struggling to do so, and suggest a DYK nomination may be helpful. Regarding your last point, which presumably is relating to the many Boat Race GAs I have passed recently and would (by association) vote keep at an AfD - I'm happy to AGF you believe a standalone article is for the best, and simply think expanding it is a great way to prove your point. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 21:35, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Then, excuse me if I'm missing something obvious here, but what does the GNG have to do with any of this? T C N7JM 21:55, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

When I review articles on short roads like this, I like to AGF and assume that the nominator has really found everything that can (reasonably) be found on the road before making the decision on whether to pass or not. NE2's findings call that into question for this particular article. Perhaps I can't make that assumption anymore. --Rs chen 7754 02:27, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed

I'm disputing the statement that the route did not exist from 1967 to 1998. Just because a route is not shown on the official state map does not mean it does not exist. For example, MS 556 has been gone from the map since 1967, but still exists (the Goog shows signs at the east end as of 2008). --NE2 23:50, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@NE2: Would it be best if changed back to "Existed: 1957 – present"? Same thing for MS 844.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 23:52, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For this one, yes (though it's on the map dated January 1, 1957, meaning it was probably created in 1956 - I don't know if the possibility of it being created on January 1 is enough to give both years). For MS 844, how can you know that it existed in 1957? --NE2 23:56, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What I've done in the past in this case is use {{circa}}, which outputs this: c.. That could be useful for this article. T C N7JM 00:01, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(Edit conflict) Err, I meant something similar to what I said above, but it would be "Existed: c. 1967 – present" instead. Adding the circa should solve the problem.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 00:03, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What's the point in mentioning when it disappears from maps at all? This was merely a decision by the cartographer that the route was unimportant. --NE2 00:04, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just in case the reviewer decides to check the maps from 1967–1973.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 00:07, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We write articles for readers, not reviewers. If you think it's important to note this, put it on the talk page or in an HTML comment. --NE2 00:20, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@NE2: ~~I moved it to the notes section.~~ The route length changes between 1967 and 1998, so I don't think I could not mention it in the section.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 00:32, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

History

There's definitely some more history to be added. If you could get to a library that has old state law books, you could fill in the gaps on more articles, since I'm not going to do this for every route (the Goog doesn't appear to have them all scanned, and those that are are annoying "snippet view"). The largest additions are on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Mississippi/All-time list.

Here are the laws relevant to MS 548:

CHAPTER 298
House Bill No. 128
AN ACT to designate certain additional highways as state highways and to place them under the jurisdiction of the state highway commission. Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Mississippi:
Section 1. The mileage of the highways hereinafter specifically designated is in addition to the total mileage limitation of eight thousand six hundred (8,600) miles which is set out in section 2, chapter 6, laws of the extraordinary session of 1949.
Section 2. The following highways are hereby designated as State highways and shall be placed under the jurisdiction of the State Highway Commission for construction and maintenance as hereinafter provided, and such highways, together with the highways designated in section 2, chapter 6, laws of the extraordinary session of 1949, are declared to be the state highway system of Mississippi:
[...]
16. Beginning at or near Hermanville on Mississippi Highway 18, thence making a loop through the business district of Hermanville, returning to connect with Mississippi Highway 18.
[...]
Section 3. The state highway commission is hereby authorized and empowered to number any of the above-designated highways on the state highway system and renumber any presently numbered highways, except those numbered as US numbered highways, and is further authorized to maintain, construct, take over and assume jurisdiction of the above-designated highways in the same manner and upon the same terms and conditions as set out in sections 2, 3, and 4, chapter 6, laws of the extraordinary session of 1949.
Section 4. This act shall take effect and be in force from and after its passage.
Approved May 4, 1954.

The above appears to include current MS 819 as well as former MS 548 west of MS 819. Confusingly, it was not repealed in 1970 when the west 4 miles of MS 548 were deleted, but the current definition of MS 819 says it "begins on Mississippi 548 in Hermanville, thence extends northward to Mississippi 18 at Hermanville, Claiborne County". --NE2 23:45, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

CHAPTER 76
House Bill No. 232
AN ACT to designate a certain section of road in Claiborne County, Mississippi, as a State Highway and place it under the jurisdiction of the State Highway Commission.
Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Mississippi:
Section 1. The following highway is hereby designated as a state highway and shall be placed under the jurisdiction of the state highway commission for required construction and maintenance, and such highway shall be an addition to the state highway system of the State of Mississippi and is hereby declared to be a part of said state highway system. Such additional highway shall be taken over by the state highway commission for construction and maintenance as soon as any such highway or link of highway, including the bridges thereon, has been constructed according to the plans and specifications of the state highway department and has been brought up to such standards as are required by the state highway department, within the limitations of section 8021, Mississippi Code of 1942, as amended.
Beginning at a point on Highway 18 at or near Hermanville in Claiborne County and running in an easterly direction to a point on the line of Claiborne and Copiah Counties; thence to a point at or near Ed Goza's store in Copiah County; being a part of a road connecting Highway 18 and Highway 51.
Section 2. This act shall be and is supplemental to chapter 6 of the laws of extraordinary session of 1949, and shall not be considered as an amendment thereof.
Section 3. This act shall take effect and be in force from and after its passage.
Approved April 4, 1955.

CHAPTER 434
HOUSE BILL NO. 380
AN ACT to delete from the State Highway System a link of highway in Claiborne County.
Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Mississippi:
Section 1. The following link of road in Claiborne County, Mississippi, is hereby deleted from the State Highway System and removed from the jurisdiction of the State Highway Commission:
Southern District. A section of road which is now designated as Mississippi Highway 548, formerly known as the Hermanville and Hazlehurst public road, a four-mile portion beginning at a point on Highway 18 at or near Hermanville in Claiborne County and running in an easterly direction to a point on the line of Claiborne and Copiah Counties; thence to a point at or near Ed Goza's store in Copiah County; being a part of a road connecting Highway 18 and Highway 51.
The above described link of highway being a part of the State Highway System having been placed therein by Chapter 76, Laws of the Extraordinary Session of 1955.
Section 2. This act shall take effect and be in force from and after its passage.
Approved: March 3, 1970.

I can't find when the part in Copiah County was deleted. This is something you'll have to do with post-1970 law books. I also don't know if "Ed Goza's store" is the same as "Meadows Store" on USGS topos; perhaps old county maps can help. --NE2 23:45, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]