Talk:Missa brevis

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Missa tota

An explanation of "Missa tota" was requested. For now I installed it as a redirect, - as the opposite to one meaning of Missa. We could also have an extra short article, and we could separate "Missa" and "Missa brevis", because Bach would not have said "Missa brevis", for example, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Imho this sentence doesn't work:

Short Lutheran settings are often called simply "Missa" or "Messe," as opposed to "Missa tota," or complete Mass, and similar terminology is used for many Anglican Masses that omit, or rather leave to be spoken, the Creed.

Despite the Refimprove tag being up for months now it's more "opinion" than "fact" throughout the article, so I more or less randomly selected this one to find a reference for before such opinions can be re-inserted to the article. --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:01, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Another one:

Schubert's Deutsche Messe, D. 872, is based on German songs, set for 4-part-choir, to be sung during the recitation of the parts of the liturgy.

I've never seen this mass listed as a "missa brevis". So provide a reference to a reliable source that actually calls this mass a "missa brevis" before re-inserting to the article. --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:05, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Partial vs concise missa brevis

The list of missae breves in the article should distinguish the two. Right now it contains both J. S. Bach's, which are partial settings, and Mozart's, wich are concise complete settings. Double sharp (talk) 12:40, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead, do it. I am not happy with Bach here anyway, - he called his works Missa (not Missa brevis), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:43, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't able to qualify many of the 20th and 21st century ones (apart from the Britten and the Bernstein), so left these in separate sections for the time being: help on providing sources that describe these and/or qualifying these according to type would be much appreciated!

Re. "I am not happy with Bach here anyway, - he called his works Missa (not Missa brevis)" – what a clueless remark, repeated for the umptieth time: we do what reliable sources do: if these are called thus in reliable sources, they can be listed here (along with Buxtehude's, Telemann's, etc.) --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:41, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]