Talk:Missa Sancti Bernardi von Offida

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I don't want to be unduly obtuse, but Wikipedia's various mechanisms seem to have missed the "h" which should follow the "g" in one of their quoted authorities, Rosemary Hughes's, surname. Presumably Landon is no longer regarded as a safe authority. This Mass is a very interesting composition - doesn't Haydn turn the "Heilig" tune to the purposes of the Kyrie, too, and as source for themes elsewhere in the Mass? Even the suggested date raises questions on which it might have been helpful to explore the published research in more detail - Wikipedia indicates in its article on the honorand that St Bernard de Offida (a saint for the virtuous poor, if ever there was one, whose feast day was the date of his death, 22 August) was beatified while Haydn was in London, in 1795 on 25 May, but apparently not even the Capuchins, his order, thought it worth recording the date of his canonisation. It seems likely that the Mass was written for the name day of the wife of Prince Nicholas Esterhazy, (Haydn's employer, who was himself neither poor nor virtuous), which would have been, (if she followed the the feast of the birth of Mary rather than the practice for the votive Mass, which would have been on 12 September) 9 September,(just over a fortnight after what would have been the feast day for the recently blessed Bernard of Offida) and apparently in 1796 this seems to have been a Friday. It is therefore believed the work, if its date is 1796, was first heard on the following Sunday, the 11th. Other sources suggest that by that time the Esterhazy permanent musical establishment, which Nicholas had reintroduced, was about 15 musicians, barely enough to man all the instrumental parts. What must the premiere have sounded like?Delahays (talk) 13:45, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]