Talk:Minoan (disambiguation)

Requested move 1 June 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved. There's consensus for move. As well as redirecting this page to Minoan civilization and using {{redirect}} hatnote to advertize the other pages. (non-admin closure) –Ammarpad (talk) 05:21, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Minoan → Minoan (disambiguation) – "Minoan" should redirect to Minoan civilization (1355 views per day avge) which is clearly primary, by a mile. This page to become Minoan (disambiguation). Johnbod (talk) 13:30, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If the dab page entries are all valid, it's not quite as clear-cut. I get less than half the page views for Minoan civilization over an extended period: [1]. Arguably some of the relevant articles are subsets of "Minoan civilization," but we don't normally redirect these sorts of adjectives to their most relevant civilizations or nations: French, Chinese, Roman, Mayan, Chilean, or Assyrian, they all tend to be dab pages across times and regions. Dekimasuよ! 17:35, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for doing this. Please note:

That "Minoan" as in "Minoan, having to do with King Minos" is a plausible adjectival form for "Minos" is very dubious indeed. If people want Minos they will search on that. Really I think this should be removed from the page, though a note that the civilization was named after him (by Arthur Evans) should be added. Do any dictionaries support this? If Minos is removed, the civilization gets more than all other uses put together.

Equally Linear A is by far more common than "Minoan language", and people wanting it are unlikely to end up at "Minoan". There is a case for removing it as not a true disam term - we have "Minoan language".

Minoan eruption begins "The Minoan eruption of Thera, also referred to as the Thera eruption, Santorini eruption, or Late Bronze Age eruption....". Personally I'd say a version of the title using Thera or Santorini would be more accurate & meet WP:COMMONNAME (I'd be interested to see an ngram thingie on that).

All the pottery & other art are of course very small, related to the civilization, & would be searched for with an appropriate term. I'm rather amazed you can hold up French, Chinese and Chilean as exemplars - these pages are surely half-hearted train-wrecks that fail to do their job properly, or to serve any imaginable reader! The fact remains that if anyone searches on or links to Minoan, it is much more likely that Minoan civilization is meant than anything else. Johnbod (talk) 18:02, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support, clear primary topic where most of the potentially ambiguous terms are merely subtopics of one supertopic. bd2412 T 12:12, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Just to clarify, Minoan civilization should not itself be moved to Minoan, as we use nouns as article titles. This proposal appears to be just to move the DAB, and make Minoan a primary redirect. Andrewa (talk) 18:36, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, sorry - the proposal is that "Minoan" should redirect to Minoan civilization (with an "other" hatnote), and the current page is renamed Minoan (disambiguation). Clarified above, I hope. Johnbod (talk) 18:46, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.