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Minguo

Look up the page history of Minguo. We had an article like this before it was merged.--Jiang 13:06, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

conversation chart

The conversation chart is pretty stupid, I hope no one mind if I take it away. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.136.179.59 (talk) 10:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there's any harm in keeping it.--Jiang (talk) 13:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Someone has messed up the conversion table, e.g. the current year 2016 should be ROC year 105, not 104, and the ROC calendar should start from year 1, not 0. The formula should be to subtract 1911 from the Gregorian calendar year, not 1912. Could the person who made the mistake or someone else who knows what they're doing please fix this serious problem?--Julian Clegg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.211.33.66 (talk) 07:31, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dates before 1911

How does the calendar deal with dates prior to 1911? Do they use PROC, BROC, etc? FiredanceThroughTheNight (talk) 08:58, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this remains entirely unaddressed in this article but our year project has taken it upon itself to label every year in human history since c. 719 BC with a "Minguo calendar" date that reads NNNN before ROC followed by 民前NNNN年.

No idea whether this is the official system on Taiwan itself. If it is, it needs to be clarified how its cutoffs actually work since surely it doesn't retroactively apply the Gregorian calendar to dates where the Europeans themselves still use the Julian system. I'd imagine most scholarly/governmental work in the system uses the actual historical Chinese system of using the lunisolar Chinese calendar with imperial era dating. It should be clarified if that is the official implementation of the system, though, and what the exact cutoff date is where dates went from using Chinese lunisolar months and days to Gregorian months and days. — LlywelynII 19:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RfC at WPTAIWAN and WPCHINA. — LlywelynII 20:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Table

The Chinese Wikipedia uses this table to explain the Minguo calendar:

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Post-Republic

Heavenly Stem calendar	壬子	癸丑	甲寅	乙卯	丙辰	丁巳	戊午	己未	庚申	辛酉
Minguo calendar	元年	二年	三年	四年	五年	六年	七年	八年	九年	十年
Japanese era calendar	明治45年大正元年	2年	3年	4年	5年	6年	7年	8年	9年	10年
Gregorian calendar	1912	1913	1914	1915	1916	1917	1918	1919	1920	1921
Heavenly Stem calendar	壬戌	癸亥	甲子	乙丑	丙寅	丁卯	戊辰	己巳	庚午	辛未
Minguo calendar	十一年	十二年	十三年	十四年	十五年	十六年	十七年	十八年	十九年	二十年
Japanese era calendar	大正11年	12年	13年	14年	大正15年昭和元年	2年	3年	4年	5年	6年
Gregorian calendar	1922	1923	1924	1925	1926	1927	1928	1929	1930	1931
Heavenly Stem calendar	壬申	癸酉	甲戌	乙亥	丙子	丁丑	戊寅	己卯	庚辰	辛巳
Minguo calendar	二十一年	二十二年	二十三年	二十四年	二十五年	二十六年	二十七年	二十八年	二十九年	三十年
Japanese era calendar	昭和7年	8年	9年	19年	11年	12年	13年	14年	15年	16年
Gregorian calendar	1932	1933	1934	1935	1936	1937	1938	1939	1940	1941
Heavenly Stem calendar	壬午	癸未	甲申	乙酉	丙戌	丁亥	戊子	己丑	庚寅	辛卯
Minguo calendar	三十一年	三十二年	三十三年	三十四年	三十五年	三十六年	三十七年	三十八年	三十九年	四十年
Japanese era calendar	昭和17年	18年	19年	20年	21年	22年	23年	24年	25年	26年（後略）
Gregorian calendar	1942	1943	1944	1945	1946	1947	1948	1949	1950	1951
Heavenly Stem calendar	壬辰	癸巳	甲午	乙未	丙申	丁酉	戊戌	己亥	庚子	辛丑
Minguo calendar	四十一年	四十二年	四十三年	四十四年	四十五年	四十六年	四十七年	四十八年	四十九年	五十年
Gregorian calendar	1952	1953	1954	1955	1956	1957	1958	1959	1960	1961
Heavenly Stem calendar	壬寅	癸卯	甲辰	乙巳	丙午	丁未	戊申	己酉	庚戌	辛亥
Minguo calendar	五十一年	五十二年	五十三年	五十四年	五十五年	五十六年	五十七年	五十八年	五十九年	六十年
Gregorian calendar	1962	1963	1964	1965	1966	1967	1968	1969	1970	1971
Heavenly Stem calendar	壬子	癸丑	甲寅	乙卯	丙辰	丁巳	戊午	己未	庚申	辛酉
Minguo calendar	六十一年	六十二年	六十三年	六十四年	六十五年	六十六年	六十七年	六十八年	六十九年	七十年
Gregorian calendar	1972	1973	1974	1975	1976	1977	1978	1979	1980	1981
Heavenly Stem calendar	壬戌	癸亥	甲子	乙丑	丙寅	丁卯	戊辰	己巳	庚午	辛未
Minguo calendar	七十一年	七十二年	七十三年	七十四年	七十五年	七十六年	七十七年	七十八年	七十九年	八十年
Gregorian calendar	1982	1983	1984	1985	1986	1987	1988	1989	1990	1991
Heavenly Stem calendar	壬申	癸酉	甲戌	乙亥	丙子	丁丑	戊寅	己卯	庚辰	辛巳
Minguo calendar	八十一年	八十二年	八十三年	八十四年	八十五年	八十六年	八十七年	八十八年	八十九年	九十年
Gregorian calendar	1992	1993	1994	1995	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000	2001
Heavenly Stem calendar	壬午	癸未	甲申	乙酉	丙戌	丁亥	戊子	己丑	庚寅	辛卯
Minguo calendar	九十一年	九十二年	九十三年	九十四年	九十五年	九十六年	九十七年	九十八年	九十九年	一百年
Gregorian calendar	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010	2011
Heavenly Stem calendar	壬辰	癸巳	甲午	乙未	丙申	丁酉	戊戌	己亥	庚子	辛丑
Minguo calendar	一〇一年	一〇二年	一〇三年	一〇四年	一〇五年	一〇六年	一〇七年	一〇八年	一〇九年	一一〇年
Gregorian calendar	2012	2013	2014	2015	2016	2017	2018	2019	2020	2021

Pre-Republic

Minguo calendar	前一年	前二年	前三年	前四年	前五年	前六年	前七年	前八年	前九年	前十年
Qing Dynasty era calendar	宣統3	2	元	光緒34	33	32	31	30	29	28
Heavenly Stem calendar	辛亥	庚戌	己酉	戊申	丁未	丙午	乙巳	甲辰	癸卯	壬寅
Japanese era calendar	明治44	43	42	41	40	39	38	37	36	35
Gregorian calendar	1911	1910	1909	1908	1907	1906	1905	1904	1903	1902
Minguo calendar	前十一年	前十二年	前十三年	前十四年	前十五年	前十六年	前十七年	前十八年	前十九年	前二十年
Qing Dynasty era calendar	光緒27	26	25	24	23	22	21	20	19	18
Heavenly Stem calendar	辛丑	庚子	己亥	戊戌	丁酉	丙申	乙未	甲午	癸巳	壬辰
Japanese era calendar	明治34	33	32	31	30	29	28	27	26	25
Gregorian calendar	1901	1900	1899	1898	1897	1896	1895	1894	1893	1892

It makes comparisons with the Japanese era calendar as well, which uses a similar kind of concept. Should the current table here be adopted in a similar fashion, if it makes explanation easier through comparison? --benlisquare_T•C•E 10:55, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Expiration dates

"When used to mark expiration dates on products for export, they can be misunderstood as having an expiration date 11 years earlier than intended." I doubt whether that is still the case. Before the Minguo calendar reached 100, this was likely to happen, as "January 23, 98" could be understood to mean "January 23, 1998". However, a date like "January 23, 104" is unlikely to be misunderstood as "January 23, 2004". I know, we have to find sources and stuff, but isn't this text a bit obsolete? Steinbach (talk) 17:59, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2 April 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved. No opposition to move. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 01:02, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Minguo calendar → Republic of China calendar – As per WP:USEENGLISH and as per sources such as [1][2] [3]. Obviously the current name should remain mentioned in the lead paragraph. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 23:17, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support Cf. North Korean calendar (not Juche calendar) Timmyshin (talk) 21:38, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 24 July 2019

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The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure) ~SS49~ {talk} 21:21, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Republic of China calendar → Date and time notation in Taiwan – To expand topic to include time, as part of Category:Date and time representation by country. Ythlev (talk) 16:34, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – This article is not about date and time in Taiwan, it's about the RoC calendar, which was also used on the mainland for a significant portion of time. If you'd like to create an article about date and time in Taiwan, feel free to do so. RGloucester — ☎ 00:55, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Given this article is so short, I don't see why there needs to be separate articles. Ythlev (talk) 08:47, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

While there is some overlap, the two are not the same as 59.149.124.29 notes below. If the goal is to add content, create a date and time notation in Taiwan article first, then propose a merger if it is warranted. However, as with Japan and Korea, the available material easily warrants two articles. — AjaxSmack 15:45, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Taiwanese calendar for WP:CONSISTENCY with the main country article now located at Taiwan. Rreagan007 (talk) 02:50, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per RGloucester. An article about date and time notation in Taiwan should discuss aspects of the ROC calendar, Japanese calendar, and Western timekeeping that are relevant to Taiwan, per WP:SUMMARYSTYLE. Meanwhile this article should discuss the whole history of the RoC calendar, including the parts that are irrelevant to Taiwan (e.g. its history before 1945 and its former use outside the mainland by organisations that have nothing to do with Taiwan, e.g. Sing Tao Daily). 59.149.124.29 (talk) 22:38, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose this is one situation where "Republic of China" and "Taiwan" refer to different entities. The calendar is that of the Republic of China; the history on the mainland China before 1949 is very relevant. No objection to creating a separate article titled Date and time notation in Taiwan. power~enwiki (π, ν) 14:30, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Calendar name and transcription

The Chinese characters say 紀年 (jìnián) but the transcription says jìyuán (紀元?). I'm not confident enough in Chinese or this calendar's terminology to know which one ought to change, but I am sure the Chinese characters are inconsistent with the transcriptions.TywysogMelyn (talk) 08:26, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Date and time notation in Taiwan" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Date and time notation in Taiwan. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 16#Date and time notation in Taiwan until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 01:20, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation Discrepancy

民國紀年 (traditional Chinese) and 民国纪年 (simplified Chinese) would be transcribed in “Standard” Mandarin as “Mínguó Jìnián” (not as shown on the Wikipedia page as “Mínguó Jìyuán”) and in Wade-Giles as “Min2-kuo2 Chi4-nien2” (not as shown on the Wikipedia page as “Min2-kuo2 Chi4-yüan2”). 173.79.189.232 (talk) 19:43, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2023

In the “Calendar Details” section where it describes the year 2023, it says:

2023, the "112th year of the Republic" is 民國一百一十一年

I think that year actually reads 111th year, but I don’t have the Chinese keyboard installed and I’d like someone to check it before fixing. —AsterRoc (talk) 05:04, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It does. — LlywelynII 19:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move/Change

Currently every year in human history since 719 BC is labeled with its "Minguo calendar" equivalent. Since that on its own is probably the most prominent use of this dating system in the English language, the page should probably be returned to Minguo calendar where it was originally. It doesn't matter if it's more "rational" to have this treatment match North Korean calendar. If the thing's WP:ENGLISH WP:COMMONNAME is the "Minguo era" or "Minguo calendar", that's where this article should be. For what it's worth, (a) the North Korean calendar got moved back to Juche calendar itself after the "discussion" above and (b) the ngram for these terms isn't terribly helpful since it shows Republican era and ROC era are far more common than Minguo or Republic of China era but includes tons of other senses of Republican for the first one and tons of discussion of China during the period 1912–1949 for the second, rather than discussion of this era/epoch/dating system.

On the other hand, if ROC calendar really is what we're going with, someone should tell the year guys to go fix their lists. — LlywelynII 19:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RfC at WPTAIWAN and WPCHINA. — LlywelynII 20:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]