Talk:Mimi Reinhardt

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 12:25, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that Mimi Reinhardt worked as the secretary for Oskar Schindler and typed his lists that helped save about 1,300 Jews from perishing in the Holocaust?

Source: “Mimi Reinhardt, who drew up lists for German industrialist Oskar Schindler that helped save hundreds of Jews during the Holocaust, has died aged 107, her family said Friday.

As Schindler’s secretary, Reinhardt was in charge of drawing up the lists of Jewish workers from the ghetto of the Polish city of Krakow who were recruited to work at his factory, saving them from deportation to Nazi death camps.

Schindler, who died in 1974, was named by Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust museum as a member of the “Righteous Among the Nations” — an honor for non-Jews who tried to save Jews from Nazi extermination.

The lists which Reinhardt compiled for him helped save the lives of some 1,300 Jews at considerable risk to his own life.”

The Times of Israel

• • Alt1 ... that Mimi Reinhardt wrote Schindler's list?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Wicked (Maguire novel)

Created by Thriley (talk). Self-nominated at 19:49, 9 April 2022 (UTC).

• (Not a review). Thriley, I am a bit concerned that our article Oskar Schindler gives all credit for this to Mietek Pemper, who isn't mentioned at all in this article. This is a bit confusing, could you clarify the relationship between these people and their lists? —Kusma (talk) 13:18, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Kusma Thank you for pointing that out. Here’s an article from 2007 that may clarify her role:[1]. The ALT1 hook is not mine. I’m not sure if we should sacrifice truth for a good hook. Thriley (talk) 14:50, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

OK, after reading that and other sources like this one I am now reasonably convinced that she typed at least one version of the list; that she composed them seems to be an overstatement in some of the sources (as is unfortunately typical of obituaries). I think this should be toned down a little bit, and then this can be a really nice DYK, even in the snappy form "that Mimi Reinhardt typed Schindler's list". It would also avoid confusion if her role could be mentioned in Pemper's and Schindler's articles. —Kusma (talk) 15:54, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

• Anyway, reviewing this now. New enough, long enough, within policy, citing reliable sources. QPQ has been done. Hook fact from ALT0 is mentioned and cited in the article. Article could be improved further (lead is very short, and it should have more incoming links from related articles) but it can go on the Main Page. ALT1 would require slight editing so is not approved as is. —Kusma (talk) 09:18, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

  The recent appearance at ITN (non-bolded) does not disqualify the article. —Kusma (talk) 13:00, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

  Just wanted to pop in there and say that I strongly prefer the ALT, as the original hook is just not "hooky" enough. Since the article above clarifies the situation nicely, and it was already suggested, how about one of these (which would be more accurate than "wrote"):

Alt1a ... that Mimi Reinhardt typed Schindler's list?

Alt1b ... that Mimi Reinhardt helped type Schindler's list?

Pinging @Thriley and Kusma: What would you think about one of these? --LordPeterII (talk) 20:21, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

These would probably work, but (a) the original hook has the advantage of being comprehensible without knowing what Schindler's list is and (b) I'm not a huge fan of piping Schindler's list to Oskar Schindler; "typed Schindler's list?" would violate MOS:EGG less but loses the appearance of "Schindler's list" as a thing. Not perfect yet. —Kusma (talk) 21:49, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@Kusma: I'd personally be happy to promote a hook that goes "typed Schindler's list?" it's pretty good, and we're short on quirkies at the moment. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 22:39, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm with leek. "typed Schindler's list" would be great. Strange there isn't a separate article for it. Thriley (talk) 06:21, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

OK, approving also ALT1c ... that Mimi Reinhardt typed Schindler's list?

Note that dewiki does have de:Liste von „Schindlerjuden“. —Kusma (talk) 08:29, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

The NY Times published her name as "Reinhard" in her obit: [2]. Is this worth changing the title of the article? Thriley (talk) 06:22, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

More places seem to have "Reinhardt" but I can't tell who is right. Do some more research and then start a WP:RM? —Kusma (talk) 08:29, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

ALT1c to T:DYK/P1

@Thriley, thx for the article. I saw a "citation needet" here is a very good one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2022/04/09/mimi-reinhard-oskar-schindler-secretary-dies/. Have a nice day. Itti (talk) 09:23, 10 April 2022 (UTC)