Talk:Milton, Ontario

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Is that Rural Milton photograph really showing mostly Burlington? 16:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Expanding Milton's Wikipedia page

I was wondering if it was alright if I added more information to the Milton page? I have added some but im not sure if everyone is okay with me adding so much because im new to Wikipedia?

Just follow the guidelines, remember, this is worldwide, not just confined to your neighbourhood, and not just for the current moment. Bacl-presby 13:58, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Check out Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers for more info about Wikipedia. You might want to sign up for an account too! Mrtea (talk) 20:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Bardey Wakler

Under Notable Figures, it has Bardey Wakler - Retired painter. Is this person really a notable figure? I've never heard of this person and can't seem to find any information on them. No Wikipedia article on Bardey Wakler either. Decimal10 04:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Town Councilors & Development

Added town councilors and regional councilors for the 2006 to 2010 term. Couple things about the development article.. The shopping plaza where Wal-Mart is located is called the Crossroads Center. Also, I feel opposition to development needs to be addressed. There is somewhat of a movement to either limit or halt development in the town due to lack of infrastructure and urban sprawl. --Mphilp 04:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Who's Graham Sharp? For as long as I've been alive, and as long as my mum has lived in Milton (33 years) Gord Krantz has been mayor... where did you get your information from? -- Curious Miltonian

Deleted.

Changed the spelling of Mayor Krantz's name. I also removed Kevin Flynn and Bonnie Brown from the MPP and Mp listing-they both represent Oakville. Also, the town's population signs do not reflect the current population, so I have altered the article to reflect this. I have lived in Milton all my life (28 years ) and my mother is on town council.-Forensicgirl

I'm from Mississauga and I just want to say, BE CAREFUL MILTON! Don't let yourself grow too much and stray from being Milton. Not all places are meant to balloon into cities or urban wastelands. Preservation all the way! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.255.190.62 (talk) 16:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

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My name is Milton Nkumbi i live in Zambia.i am very very confused i didnt know that i can find aname in the system like mine.i its ablessing to find that i have got a name in a certain country.talk to me and make me happy.God be with you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.12.13.182 (talk) 11:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Maplehurst

Any way to work in mention of canada's largest jail? Maplehurst Correctional Complex Canuckle (talk) 08:25, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

redirect of Scott Township

Scott Township never had any relationship with Milton. Scott Township was in Ontario County and merged with Uxbridge Township when Durham Region was formed in 1974. Oldontarian (talk) 18:50, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Soccer teams

Can anyone verify that Milltown Football Club is still in operation? We have quite a bit of outdated info about them, but I can find no evidence that the team still exists. Meters (talk) 18:30, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Per https://www.peelhaltonsoccer.com/page/show/3497474-phdl-adult the Peel Halton Soccer League (which the team joined after leaving the CSL) does not even have an adult outdoor league this year. Meters (talk) 19:30, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Should we delete all mention of Wilfrid Laurier and Conestoga plans to create a campus in Milton?

Folks, I am dumbfounded.

I added a paragraph about the planned campus and an other editor deleted every word. no need to cover cancelled plans.

Is this paragraph really not worthy of inclusion in the Wikipedia article?

  Post-secondary education was expected to become available in Milton with the planned establishment of a satellite campus operated by Wilfrid Laurier University and Conestoga College. The facility would eventually be located on the Milton Education Village (MEV), a 400-acre site, donated by the Town. The early stage of the campus (in leased premises) was to being accepting some students in 2019. [38] On 23 October 2018 however, the new Provincial government withdrew the funding for plans such as this.[39]

Peter K Burian (talk) 23:07, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

There have been very, very few contributors to this article, so I am asking @Hwy43 (from the Wiki Project Canadian Communities) for his comment. btw, a similar content in Markham, Ontario was also deleted by the same editor. Surprisingly, the content about the planned campus in Brampton, Ontario has not yet been deleted... so far. Peter K Burian (talk) 23:14, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

There was very little coverage of the planned campuses. This is an example. Then, a newly-elected government pulls funding while the campuses were still in the planning stage. No shovels in the ground, just dashed hopes. New governments do this; they cancel plans and promise new infrastructure, and it makes the news, as so many government decisions do. But because Wikipedia an encyclopedia and not a newspaper, ephemeral stuff need not be reported. If mention of this should go anywhere, it's on the university article, or the government of Ontario article...not here. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:40, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

I lived in Milton for 30 years and I can tell you, this has been huge for the town, in the planning stage for 10 years. It was all set to go, with provincial funding promised. Very, very important.

They were ready to accept students (WLU) in the rented premises in Sept. 2019. And then the funding was pulled. I saw Mayor Krantz on CTV today, and he is continuing to work on this, looking for other sources of funds. For Wikipedia to ignore all this is amazing.

   Background info from a news article today: Since 2008, the town has had a memorandum of understanding and partnership with Laurier to bring post-secondary education to the community, which includes the presence of Conestoga College. In April 2018, the then ruling Liberal government renewed a promise to provide funding, $90 million worth, to the project. (then it was cancelled, yesterday)> “To say that I am disappointed with the provincial announcement is an understatement,” Krantz said in a press release. “As I begin my 13th term as mayor, I know that this is just a bump in the road for Milton. We have invested 10 years of hard work into making post-secondary education in Milton a reality — we have no intention of walking away now.” https://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/8985781-milton-mayor-extremely-disappointed-with-cancellation-of-90m-for-laurier-campus/

Peter K Burian (talk) 23:48, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Not exactly sure why I have been pinged as I am not the representative of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Canadian communities that speaks on its behalf. No participant is that. I am just one of its numerous participants. If there is a desire to seek input from that community's participants, I suggest you post a notice of this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canadian communities. Due to the community's low participant enrollment, you can try posting notice of this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board as well. I will return later this evening to provide a comment on this. Hwy43 (talk) 02:05, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

I see no harm in including a short, factual, and neutral two-sentence paragraph stating along the lines of the following, so long as it doesn't give undue weight and avoids soapboxing one side or the other.

In 20xy, Wilfrid Laurier University and Conestoga College committed to establishing a satellite campus in Milton by 20xy.^{[ref #1]} Funding for the campus, which was originally secured in 20xy, was cancelled by Ontario's provincial government in October 2018, x months/years prior to its scheduled opening.^{[ref #2]}

Done. Milton's history with post-secondary education is captured. Beyond that, a more fulsome recap with other details can be appropriately presented at Wilfrid Laurier University#Planned Milton campus (which is out of date as of today and needs copyediting to fix current tense issues throughout). Hwy43 (talk) 02:44, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

I support the edit proposed by User:Hwy43. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:57, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Well, it seemed that we agreed that this topic should be covered in the article. I did so, using the suggestion provided by User:Hwy43. His suggested text was theoretical and contained inaccuracies. Staying true to the intent he suggested, I wrote new content.

Every word of that was then deleted by Magnolia677 stating that it was not the same as the content suggested by Hwy43. I was surprised that Magnolia would have deleted the content, artibtrarily, without discussing it here.I have reverted that edit.

I do plan to use this suggestion from Hwy43:

  I suggest you post a notice of this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canadian communities. Due to the community's low participant enrollment, you can try posting notice of this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board as well. 

Peter K Burian (talk) 14:05, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

@Peter K Burian: Your original edit was:

Post-secondary education was expected to become available in Milton with the planned establishment of a satellite campus operated by Wilfrid Laurier University and Conestoga College. The facility would eventually be located on the Milton Education Village (MEV), a 400-acre site, donated by the Town. The early stage of the campus (in leased premises) was to being accepting some students in 2019. On 23 October 2018 however, the new Provincial government withdrew the funding for plans such as this.

What was agreed to on the talk page was "a short, factual, and neutral two-sentence paragraph stating along the lines of the following, so long as it doesn't give undue weight and avoids soapboxing one side or the other", along with this example:

In 20xy, Wilfrid Laurier University and Conestoga College committed to establishing a satellite campus in Milton by 20xy.^{[ref #1]} Funding for the campus, which was originally secured in 20xy, was cancelled by Ontario's provincial government in October 2018, x months/years prior to its scheduled opening.^{[ref #2]}

What you added (along with broken references) was:

In 2008, the town reached an agreement in principle with Wilfrid Laurier University for the latter to establish a satellite campus in Milton. Funding of $90 million for the major facility, which would also include Conestoga College, on land donated by the town, was originally approved by the provincial government in April 2018. The university was planning to accept some students in 2019 in leased premises. In October 2018 funding was withdrawn by the new Ontario government (elected in June) before construction on the planned Milton Education Village had begun.

Can you see the problem? (talk) 14:40, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Honestly, no. The content I added followed the suggestion provided by Hwy43 but was more accurate re dates. I am not home now so cannot fix the citation till this aft. In the spirit of collaboration, why not revise content, instead of deleting every word? Peter K Burian (talk) 15:37, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

When you say "references are broken" Magnolia677, what does that mean? Do you mean the URLs in citations are not correct?

Which ones? They all work fine. Or do you mean the formatting of the citations?

https://www.wlu.ca/about/discover-laurier/strategic-initiatives/milton.html https://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/8985781-milton-mayor-extremely-disappointed-with-cancellation-of-90m-for-laurier-campus/ https://globalnews.ca/news/4588272/doug-ford-government-cancels-post-secondary-campus-expansions-in-brampton-milton-markham/ Peter K Burian (talk) 17:36, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

OK,Magnolia677, please see Markham, Ontario. An Admin got involved in that discussion, which started out as this discussion did.

He condensed the content I had written and is now satisfied with the content as is:

   In May 2015, York University announced plans to open a new campus west of the Markham Pan Am Centre, with specifics published in November 2017.[36] This facility would be operated in collaboration with Seneca College, and was expected to open in 2021.[37][38] Funding of the project had been approved in April 2018 by the provincial government then in power. On 23 October 2018 however, the new provincial government (elected in June) withdrew the funding for plans such as this, effectively cancelling the York satellite campus.[39] The university planned to seek new donors for the project.[40]

The content in this Milton article is no longer than that and is quite similar.

  In 2008, the town reached an agreement in principle with Wilfrid Laurier University for the latter to establish a satellite campus in Milton. Funding of $90 million for the major facility, which would also include Conestoga College, on land donated by the town, was originally approved by the provincial government in April 2018. In October 2018 funding was withdrawn by the new Ontario government (elected in June) before construction on the planned Milton Education Village had begun. Mayor Gordon Krantz indicated that the town would look for alternative funding.[38][39]

Peter K Burian (talk) 18:08, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

@Peter K Burian: In your revised edit you wrote "on land donated by the town". This is not supported by either source cited. Also, could you please fix the formatting of your citations. Help:Referencing for beginners may assist you. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 13:45, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

ok will do this aft when I get home Peter K Burian (talk) 13:55, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

@Peter K Burian: There are still errors in the citation (unknown parameters). Also, adding the acreage is unnecessary and was not agreed to by consensus. It gives undue weight to a project that never happened. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:29, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

OK, I made the revisions and deleted the 150 acres. I checked my new citations and all appear to be just fine.

Is content not more important than formatting citations? Here is something I got from a talk page stalker on exactly that point. (tps also known as a WikiJaguar or talk page watcher, is an individual who keeps an eye on one or more users' talk pages (often via the watchlist) and answers or adds input to threads in which the stalker is not directly involved.):

   :(talk page stalker) The citation template is to help combat link rot and assist with a consistent reference format. Its usage is a good practice, and you should use it if you have the time (Or use a tool like reFill to assist), but using a raw URL to source something is fine. Sourcing is more important than perfect CS1 templates.

btw, I have tried the reFill tool a few times and it definitely does not produce full citations!

Peter K Burian (talk) 16:41, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

@Peter K Burian: Perhaps you can try the help desk? Magnolia677 (talk) 16:49, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

@Peter K Burian: Could you please fix your citation errors. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:25, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

As my notes above indicate, I do not see any citation errors. Peter K Burian (talk) 15:30, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Peter: Footnotes #40 and #41 show errors at the moment......PKT(alk) 15:35, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

OK, now I see ... thanks for the constructive guidance PK. I found the problems and fixed them. Peter K Burian (talk) 15:45, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Town or City?

An editor is attempting to rewrite this article to change Milton from a town to a city. without providing a source. Milton's home page still calls it a town. Has something changed? Meters (talk) 02:13, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

It is still a town; I lived there for 30 years. I'll take a look at the edits tomorrow. I will ensure that the article is accurate... If this becomes an edit-war, I may need your support. Cheers, Peter K Burian (talk) 02:17, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. Meters (talk) 02:34, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

From what I can find, it is a "lower-tier" municipality, and thus can choose to call itself a town, a city, or a village. Since the Municipal Act, 2001 those terms have no legal meaning in Ontario. The editor's claim that its population of over 100,000 automatically makes it a city is just wrong. And it's certainly not suddenly the non-existent "higher-tier" (or "upper-tier" which is presumably what the user meant). See List of municipalities in Ontario and List of cities in Ontario Meters (talk) 04:30, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Thereporterr22: stop it. If the Town of Milton was in fact rebranding itself as a city through a formal name change, there would be news coverage, like there was for Markham in 2012 and Richmond Hill in 2018/2019. There is nothing but crickets when searching for the same for Milton.

This is BS on your part. If it was the case, where is a link to a council motion? Where is the link to the provincial approval?

Why would you lie? You tell us. Perhaps because it is your aspiration that Milton should be a city due to its size, and you are frustrated that town council has not yet pursued it.

This is also complete and utter BS. Read up on city status in Ontario at List of cities in Ontario. No minimum population threshold exists anymore, and nearly 20 years ago when it did, the threshold was 15,000 or 25,000 (depending on the type of municipality applying for city status), not 100,000. Regardless, becoming a city is not automatic just because a population milestone is reached.

And, no, no, no. You don't have enough information. You are not who determines what is a city and what is not a city. "Ontario" does not do a census every five years (StatCan does).

If you don't like that the Town of Milton continues to brand itself as a town and not a city, go lobby town council and administration. Write letters to the editor in the local newspaper(s). Don't blatantly introduce undeniable factual errors for the sole purpose of aligning Wikipedia with your own aspirations for Milton. Are you here to constructively build an encyclopedia in collaboration with other editors in this community? It appears thus far you are not. Hwy43 (talk) 04:39, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Milton is a Town as Hwy43 said; Council could choose it to become a City but has remained a town. See List of cities in Ontario for an explanation:

The current legislation also provides lower and single-tier municipalities with the authority to name themselves as "cities", or other former conventional municipal status types such as "towns", "villages" or "townships", or generically as "municipalities".[7] "The Municipal Councillor's Guide". Ontario Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing. Retrieved June 29, 2013.

The change could be made in Milton by a vote of Town Council, but that has not happened. Markham, Ontario is a good example:

Canada's largest town is about to become Canada's newest city. Markham councillors have voted to change the name from Town of Markham to City of Markham. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/markham-to-change-from-town-to-city-1.1179129

Milton's Web site says: Town Hall Location ... Milton’s Town Council Town of Milton - Mayor's office

See this document: The Corporation of the Town of Milton, Ontario, Canada, Financial Report, May 27, 2019 https://www.milton.ca/en/townhall/resources/Budget2018/2018-Financial-Report.pdf

So, to be accurate, the article needs to specify that Milton is a Town. Peter K Burian (talk) 14:27, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

OK, I completed an update to this article, with new specifics and new citations. And confirmed that it remains the TOWN of Milton. Peter K Burian (talk) 17:22, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Nice work, Peter! PKT(alk) 17:56, 12 November 2019 (UTC) (the other Peter K.)

Thanks PK, the other Peter K. I lived in Milton for decades and hate to see this article get outdated. Gordon Krantz would be proud of me. I got to know him quite well; excellent Mayor!! Cheers, Peter K Burian (talk) 18:21, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, nice job updating. Meters (talk) 22:49, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Meters; I'll have to keep you and PK in mind when working on other Canadian city/town articles; sometimes, another editor becomes difficult to work with. In such situations, it's great to have an unbiased second look at the article by someone like you. (And you do NOT need to agree with me.) Of course, I am happy to do the same for either of you, too. On Canadian Town/City articles, Hwy43 is an especially great resource; an incredibly experienced editor with a lot of Barnstars and other awards. Peter K Burian (talk) 23:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Peter K Burian, for the shout out. :) Hwy43 (talk) 04:42, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

The ethnic/racial groups data does not reflect the 2016 census

For some reason, someone updated most of the numbers but neglected Filipino and Arab, which should be 4.1% and 3.8%, respectively. But even then the rest of the data is slightly off on their percentages because the code is calculating the percentages based on the wrong total population count. It should be using the total population count in the Visible Minority section (100,625) (from which the rest of our data is derived) instead of the one on the main census page (101,715). They are different because the information in the Visible Minority section is based on the long-form questionnaire which uses a different methodology compared to the short-form questionnaire used on the main page.

The table in the Wiki article also has the wrong number for the White population (it conflated the "Not a Visible Minority" count with the White population). The "Not a Visible Minority" category in the census includes both (and only) White people and Aboriginals. So to determine the number of white people, I subtracted the number of Aboriginals (980) from the total population, which would equal 53,965.

Source: https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=POPC&Code1=0532&Geo2=PR&Code2=35&SearchText=Milton&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=Visible%20minority&TABID=1&type=0

YukonPhantasma (talk) 06:50, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Seems bizarre that we can have different numbers of visible minorities reported for the same region (on the long form vs the short form).

I understand now why you were subtracting the number of Aboriginals from the Not a Visible Minority group to get teh number of Whites. Thank you. Meters (talk) 08:17, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

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Split Milton Sports Hall of Fame content

For brevity, the list of Milton Sports Hall of Fame inductee names was removed from the Milton page. However, if someone really wants to keep this list of Milton Sports Hall of Fame inductees, similar to Town of Caledon Walk of Fame or Brampton Arts Walk of Fame or Sault Ste. Marie Walk of Fame, then this content should be split into a new Milton Sports Hall of Fame page. As it stands, if the Milton Sports Hall of Fame continues to annually induct five new members annually for the foreseeable future, then this list would probably become as long as the rest of this article. The Milton Sports Hall of Fame appears to pass the noteworthy test, with multiple articles or mentions appearing in articles by CBC, The Milton Canadian Champion, Toronto Star, Hamilton Spectator, The Peterborough Examiner, The Kitchener-Waterloo Record, and 101.3 FM's website. As well many of the inductees are noteworthy have their own individual Wikipedia pages, such as John Tonelli, Ed Whitlock, Campbellville Merchants, Darren Haydar, Milton Merchants, Bruce Hood, Peter McDuffe, Leon Stickle, Enio Sclisizzi, and others. karltaylor321 (talk) 21:24, 08 January 2023 (UTC)

For background, on September 29, 2022, a user appears to have removed the full list of 30 inductees arbitrarily because "This would be better on Milton's Facebook page". Rather than outsource information about notable and remarkable people from Milton, noteworthy enough to have individual existing Wikipedia pages, and move that information from Wikipedia to Facebook, I further think this reinforces the need to split off Milton Sports Hall of Fame as its own page, much like other communities have done. karltaylor321 (talk) 21:37, 08 January 2023 (UTC)

If you are going to call out an edit it's a good idea to ping the editor in question. The removal of the members was done by user:Magnolia677, and I agree with the removal. You may claim that these were "notable and remarkable people from Milton, noteworthy enough to have individual existing Wikipedia pages" but approximately half the list was of people who do not have Wikipedia articles to show their notability. Those that do have articles can be listed in the "Notable people" section (and most of them are). If the Hall of Fame is notable then by all means write an article about it, but that is not justification for listing all of the members of the Hall of Fame in this article. We cover the Hall of Fame in this article, but we do not need to list all of the inductees. Meters (talk) 22:34, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

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