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The murders are notable in Millet

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I moved the discussion here to have it be more open and so that if others have comments on this, they can add them here.

Hi! You stated in this edit summary that it's "not notable in Millet"

I'm going to pull up a quote that says otherwise: "The deaths of the boys in the nearby town of Millet, 40 kilometres south of Edmonton, shocked and rallied the community. The story made headlines nationally and in distant Australia."

These kinds of child murders are very rare, and this case got coverage from national/major newspapers in both Canada and Australia (which is why I wrote an article on it). Also consider that in a town of 2,092 little else is going on, so a case like this would be even more relatively notable for Millet. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:19, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@WhisperToMe: I don't doubt that this caused a lot of publicity and emotion to the people in the town and elsewhere, but the point is that this is an encyclopedia article. It's not a place to put old news stories unless they fit into what is said at WP:LASTING. Did you take a look at it? I don't see how this event in Millet fits into what is says there.
I will cut and paste it here for you:
Events are often considered to be notable if they act as a precedent or catalyst for something else. This may include effects on the views and behaviors of society and legislation. For example, the murder of Adam Walsh ultimately led to the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act, among other notable subjects.
Events that have a noted and sourced permanent effect of historical significance are likely to be notable. This includes, for example, natural disasters that result in widespread destruction, since they lead to rebuilding, population shifts, and possible impact on elections. For example, Hurricane Katrina or the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake are notable by these standards. A minor earthquake or storm with little or no impact on human populations is probably not notable. It may take weeks or months to determine whether or not an event has a lasting effect. This does not, however, mean recent events with unproven lasting effect are automatically non-notable.
Air.light (talk) 03:48, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Lets look at its parent guideline Wikipedia:Notability: "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within an article" - In other words the notability guidelines don't apply to internal article content.
Even so I would insist upon the notability in terms of the article itself (Allyson McConnell) due to the length of coverage (3 years) and breadth (national newspapers in two countries, continuing up to and including her death) of the coverage. Also remember notorious murders (not bog-standard murders but intense publicity cases like this one) are inherently "LASTING" due to the effects the murders have on the community.
WhisperToMe (talk) 04:22, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
LASTING is not the only criterion for notability of an article about an event. There's also Wikipedia:Notability_(events)#Geographical_scope (notability in two countries), Wikipedia:Notability_(events)#Duration_of_coverage (three years), Wikipedia:Notability_(events)#Diversity_of_sources WhisperToMe (talk) 04:27, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You have mentioned a few aspects of notability here. As far as duration of coverage goes, that doesn't seem out of the ordinary to me for the details of murder trials to be reported on as the trial goes on. Trials can last years, as in this case. Geographical scope – there is nothing special about it being mentioned in two countries here as it involved citizens of both countries. It's almost routine for Canadian citizens killed abroad to be reported on in Canadian news for instance. Diversity of sources - I only see standard news outlets having reported on this. I don't see anything special here.
I know you're not suggesting this, but if we mentioned every murder trial that took place in a city or town in that city or town's article, we'd need to have a special section titled "murders" or something like this. I don't think mentioning these murders helps the article at all and it doesn't really have much to do with Millett as a town. Air.light (talk) 01:43, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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