Talk:Millard Naylor

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A fact from Millard Naylor appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 March 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that due to segregation, coach Millard Naylor's high school football team needed to play out-of-state opponents for his first 19 seasons?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/March. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Millard Naylor.

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What "notable" players did he coach? Who broke his wins record? When was his second indefeated season? FloridaArmy (talk) 06:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FloridaArmy: Added his undefeated seasons; the coach who passed him as Dan Ritter (see here (source paywalled)); as for "notable" players, several articles made it seem like he had prominent players, though I note many listed (see later in post) do not have articles. Do you think there'd be a better word than "notable". This article has a list: "Bill Lewis, now a health officer for the Wilmington Board of Health, played on Morgan College's great team ... Willard S. Jones ... Lacey Jackson, all-CIAA end; Millard Naylor Jr., starred at Johnson C. Smith ... Wendell Brown, played at Lincoln; Gator Lewis was a kicking and passing ace at Maryland State ... in basketball and baseball: Smut Johnson, Moose Clark, Winny Ford, Edd Loper, Joe Redding, Big John Benson, and Joe Ward". I also saw a mention somewhere of him coaching judge Leonard L. Williams, who seems pretty prominent and probably deserving of an article. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 11:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that Millard Naylor received no pay for his first 14 seasons as a high school football head coach?~~ Source: Delaware Sports Hall of Fame
- ALT1: ~~... that Millard Naylor founded his high school's football team but had no money, and thus they had to use a single ball for four years, which needed polishing every week?~~ Source: The News Journal
- ALT2: ~~... that due to segregation, coach Millard Naylor's high school football team could only play out-of-state opponents for his first 19 seasons?~~ Source: same News Journal piece
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/KARE (TV)
- Comment: Realized I might be a bit late with this; requesting a day extension to eligibility as allowed by Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines.

Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:38, 4 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Millard Naylor; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - I'll focus on ALT2, as it seems the most interesting. The part "could only play out-of-state opponents" does not appear to be supported by the current sources. It's not definitive that there weren't other black schools in-state that they played, even if they went outside for others.

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: —Bagumba (talk) 11:03, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bagumba: QPQ done. As for the ALT2 hook, the source states that "Before [the white schools] agreed to play Mr. Naylor's teams, he was forced to bus his players out of state to play teams from other black high schools." Could be misreading, but that seems to imply to me that he was only able to play against out-of-state teams? Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:52, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BeanieFan11: The source doesn't say that they exclusively played out-of-state opponents. Hypothetically, if they played 2 in state and 6 out, that quote would still be true. Barring another source, the hook could say something like "~~could only play~~needed to play out-of-state opponents".—Bagumba (talk) 00:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bagumba: There's also this source: Just nobody would play Howard – "li'l 'ol Howard, only black school in New Castle County, was forced to book games with out-of-state schools, year after year after year." Though I guess the other hook version would work also. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:57, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BeanieFan11:: I had seen that source before, but it still leaves open the possibility that there was another school outside their county but still within the state that they could have played some games with.—Bagumba (talk) 17:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bagumba: I see. Do you think this one would work then: ALT3 ... that due to segregation, coach Millard Naylor's high school football team needed to play out-of-state opponents for his first 19 seasons? BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:27, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BeanieFan11: ALT3 approved. Sorry again for the brain fart on your talk page. Best.—Bagumba (talk) 17:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]