Talk:Miles Heizer

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I don't think he lives in Norway since he's a regular on a TV show.----

Relationship

There's been a long-running slow-burn edit war over whether to include the relationship between Heizer and Connor Jessup in the article. My view is that: WP:BLP cautions us to write conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy, and that this is generally interpreted to mean that "dating news" is not included in Wikipedia articles. This is particularly so when the sourcing is largely or entirely primary. As such, in my view, Wikipedia articles should generally only include relationships at the level of marriage, "life-partner" relationships which have persisted for many years, or relationships which are unusually important for other reasons and have been extensively covered in reliable sources. Hence I would not include Heizer and Jessup's relationship. Since this was mentioned in a recent edit summary, the fact that both of them are men is not in itself a material consideration as to whether the article should mention their relationship. Thoughts from other editors? Best, Wham2001 (talk) 06:03, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I would say include. In terms of privacy, the relationship has been openly discussed in interviews and it doesn't seem like they want it to be a secret. In terms of length and significance, the relationship appears to persisted for 2/3 years plus and was given as the reason Jessup chose to come out. If we include his coming out then I think it reasonable to include what motivated him to do so. https://www.attitude.co.uk/article/connor-jessup-reveals-how-falling-in-love-inspired-him-to-come-out/22931/ CountessCobra (talk) 08:24, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose inclusion. As mentioned many times previously, dating histories are WP:GOSSIP and nearly always fall under WP:RECENCY (i.e. they involve relationships that rarely last 5 years, let alone 10). We are not the entertainment press and such relationships are not encyclopedic in and of themselves. —Joeyconnick (talk) 05:15, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

It they were not both men, it definitely would have been included. Look up any straight celebrity. Hattrem (talk) 14:31, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

That's garbage... the same removal of dating histories happens all the time at Lili Reinhart and Cole Sprouse, along with several other straight celebrities. Yes, there are some straight celebrities who do have dating histories included by persistent editors who don't understand WP:NOTGOSSIP, but that is absolutely zero indication that the desire of editors of this article not to include similarly transient, ultimately irrelevant info is anything even remotely homophobic. And for the counterargument, Colton Haynes includes coverage of his marriage and divorce... because it was a marriage, which led to a divorce, and so not merely people dating one another. Now, if Heizer and Jessup stay together for 10+ years and/or have children, or get married, or hey, even get engaged... that's a different story. But if they are just dating, not sufficiently notable... for them, or two women, or a man and a woman, etc. It's not the gender makeup of the couple, it's the extent of the relationship, and "dating" doesn't cut it. —Joeyconnick (talk) 20:14, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Joeyconnick. Regrettably, many Wikipedia articles on celebrities, straight and otherwise, do contain dating gossip. Those of us who follow the conservative approach mandated by policy remove it when possible, regardless of the sexuality of the article subjects. Wham2001 (talk) 21:10, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

There is nothing in WP:BLP or WP:GOSSIP that states that boyfriends/girlfriends shouldn't be covered. The issue would be if it is reliably sourced (as per WP:BLPSOURCE) and whether that person is a public figure (as per WP:BLPPUBLIC). Dating a fellow actor and this being covered in reliable sources means it satisfies the three conditions of WP:BLPGOSSIP. Based on this, I'd say its fine to have it included. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 10:23, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Look, they've been together for years, as mentioned in The New York Times. What if they also lived together, would it then be more than gossip? This whole thing reeks of homophobia. Hattrem (talk) 11:06, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up about the NYT Hattrem, I've added it to the article as its covered in a reliable source. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 14:15, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

User:Danyzack02, instead of attacking and edit-warring with multiple editors,[1][2][3] please read WP:NOTNEWS, which is a Wikipedia policy. Wikipedia biographical articles aren't a diary of who's currently dating who and of non-notable relationships. I recently removed the same thing over at Tom Holland for the very same reasons, so cool it with your baseless accusations and personal attacks. If they had been together for 5+ years and/or had gotten engaged, then sure, it can be included if reliable sources are reporting on it; but a recent dating relationship is not in itself sufficient nor noteworthy enough for inclusion. WP:VNOT applies.

That addition you added: "Though he never officially came out (neither as gay or bisexual), both Heizer and Jessup have published several posts and stories on Instagram, presenting their relationship[7][8][9]." is WP:SYNTH/WP:Original research based on three Instagram posts.[4] And as you said so yourself ("Though he never officially came out (neither as gay or bisexual)") and since it is unsourced, then we shouldn't be adding categories such as Category:LGBT actors, as you did multiple times, since he never officially nor publicly announced that he is LGBT, and Wikipedia articles shouldn't be speculating based on Instagram posts per WP:BLP. Some1 (talk) 21:48, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Identification

Heizer is stated to be gay, but, in the source given, I can't find him specifically labelling himself. He talks about coming out at 19, being part of the LGBT community, and attending pride. Should the section perhaps say LGBT, until he says something more specific? CountessCobra (talk) 17:17, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Good point... maybe "member of the LGBT community"? It's a bit awkward but guidance on not labelling people without their confirmation is clear. Or maybe just reword to say that Heizer came out at age 19, which is what the source indicates, with "came out" linked. —Joeyconnick (talk) 22:30, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I've removed the word gay and added LGBT community. I also added a sentence about the pride photoshoot with his dogs as it/they are important to him. CountessCobra (talk) 19:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)