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Speed trap

An unsupported allegation that a speed trap exists is not proper in an encyclopedic article. If a source of this subjective judgment can be included, it might be appropriate, "E.g. "[name of magazine] in November 2006 listed Milan as one of its "Ten Worst Speed Traps." 69.180.197.28 17:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Famous persons

Is it best practice to make external links to these people? I think an internal Wikipedia link would work best. Further, are these people really notable, or are they more local icons?

I think many of them are notable, but a few I see, in my oponion, are recognized as famous only in Milan.(φ§φIt's not the begginging of the end, it's the end of the begginingφ§φ (talk) 14:52, 12 March 2008 (UTC))[reply]

It is best practice to include citations, even for notable people. Each article should be able to stand on its own. A wikilink is useful in establishing that an individual is notable, but a citation is still neccessary to establish their relation to this article and basic notability. For reference I've already done a lot of the work and added those citations.RageBanken (talk) 22:52, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There's one left, W. Winfred Moore that I just cannot source to Milan. Even his wiki page is careful not to mention where he was born, just where his parents are from. His birth record is non-existant online, he appears in the 1930 and 1940 census with his family in Alamo TN at ages 10 and 20. There is nothing that I can find that directly links him to this city other than his mother dying and being burried here. As we all know, notability is not confered through relation. If anyone has a reliable citation that can directly link him to the city, please either add it or let me know and I'll add it.RageBanken (talk) 22:52, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's now been long enough that I'm going to go ahead and remove W. Winfred Moore. No discussion has been had and there are still no references available. If someone comes up with a citation then go ahead and re-add him with citation, or let me know and I'll do it. RageBanken (talk) 03:46, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For whomever added the Eugene Crocker entry. I've removed this for the time being. Please provide some citations backing up the claim. If you need some help writing a more appropriate entry, please let me know. Under no circumstances (besides a quote) is "took his life and his career by the gonads" an appropriate statement for an encyclopedia. I'm more than happy to help include the individual, given citation and notability are met. RageBanken (talk) 03:44, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Added Mary Lee Cagle from "what link here" and citation. Per wikipedia standards the inclusion of her page on this site should meet notability requirements. At the very least, she's notable enough to be published and published about. RageBanken (talk) 04:32, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Added Kelsie Brown Harder from "what links here" and citations. Per wikipedia standards the inclusion of his page on this site should meet notability requirements. I question the level of local relation due to the short military posting to this location. For now he's listed as a notable person for Milan, please discuss. RageBanken (talk) 04:55, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Prentice Cooper one of Tennessee's Govenors links to Milan. I don't believe he has very much in the way of local relation so I'm not adding him to notable people. The link to Milan is that he guided the WWII buildup in Tennessee including the building of many new facilities, specifically the munitions plant in Milan. Please discuss if you have an argument for his inclusion in notable people for the city. RageBanken (talk) 05:21, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In sourcing info for the Athletics section, coach John Tucker caught my attention. Retiring as the TSSAA winningest football coach and being in the Tennessee Sports Hall of Fame seems potentially notable. There's not a lot of citable sources, without digging into newspaper archives. He doesn't have a wikipedia page. Anyone have any thoughts? RageBanken (talk) 12:17, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sports

I believe the atricle on Milan, TN should have a topic on sports seperate from education. Milan has one the the top all-around sports programs in West Tennessee, and is well known for it's football team. If I could get information on how to start this topic, I would be glad to help.

(Gh3rox (talk) 20:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC))[reply]

I've spun the sports off into its own subsection "Athletics" under education, as all the sports are school sports I believe it would be incorrect to fully seperate the two.RageBanken (talk) 00:13, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The biggest thing that is needed for the sports section is references. There are many claims that may be true, but have no references. My own research has only turned up basic stats that may be put together and prove these statements. The problem with that is we would then have Original Research. Anyone that has any reliable sources that could be used to back up these claims?

I'm removing the claim about the football team being a "state powerhouse". I still can't source it. RageBanken (talk) 11:09, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm removing the claim about a large number of upper level sports figures coming from Milan. It's a very old citation needed tag (2008) and I don't even know where to start trying to source something like that. If anyone has any ideas, I'm all ears! RageBanken (talk) 11:38, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also removing the claim for "Quiz 'em on the air". I can't find any specific references to Milan in the very few sources I've managed to dig up - none include 1960. This would be a fairly nifty claim to have, but it's also a very old citation needed tag (2008.) RageBanken (talk) 11:50, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to go ahead and remove the breakdown of championships by coach for now. It seems rather redundant since the schools total championships are already listed. I have my doubts about how appropriate keeping an individual coach record is in this section on this page. Any thoughts on this out there?

On top of that I'm also removing the claim about Polk-Clark fielding powerful basketball teams. If anyone can come up with some specific sources for their sports teams I'd be happy to see them mentioned. RageBanken (talk) 12:04, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the claim about being the first in the South to have little league desperately needs a reference. All of the little league histories I can find are very specific all the way up until it leaves PA. When it leaves PA, suddenly it's all very general with no firsts or timeline given for the rapid expansion.RageBanken (talk) 00:13, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm removing the claim for now. If anyone can 'please' find a source, add it back into the history or give me the source and I'll do it.RageBanken (talk) 01:49, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm re-adding the claim in the history section (not really school related.) I found a reference in the Gibson County Sesquicentennial Commerative Booklet. I would still like to find another source for this if anyone has one. RageBanken (talk) 10:01, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of the name

I have personally heard the story of the town's name coming from "my land" from my uncle Cullen Presson, who was a long-time Milanite. On the more important question of whether the name actually was copied from the city in Italy, I have no idea where to begin. Freeman (talk) 18:41, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not looking at it, but it's in one of the local histories. (Probably the 1961 "Gibson County Past and Present")

The "my land" story is rather wide spread in the area. It would be better mentioned as a local folklore for the name. Does anyone know of any reliable sources that could be used to cite it? I've been looking and the most I can really find are a few local blogs, but nothing really useful.RageBanken (talk) 22:57, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm including the story again. I found a reference for it in the Gibson County Sesquicentennial Commerative Booklet. This is problematic though. There are two sourced origins for the name now. Personally I still feel that it's more of a local folklore than an actual fact. Even the entry in this source doesn't make sense. A surveyor asked who's land it was, not where he was. That doesn't leave a lot of room for misunderstanding. I do think this story needs to be in here, and it is a nifty story for the city, but I have very strong reservations about it actually being the official source of the name. I'll keep working on this and see if I can clean it up some more. RageBanken (talk) 09:07, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone have any idea where we could find a source for the term "milanites"? I know the paper and media regularly use the term, but I can't find any sort of official policy etc. It's been challenged and quite frankly, without some sort of source, I think it's fair. If we cite common usage in publications, I fear we would be treading into Original Research. So any thoughts on sources?RageBanken (talk) 02:56, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fluoridation

I've added citation for the city being the first in TN, but the only reference I can find to the study that was done is a training power point. For now I'm going to remove the Sentence, "For years its school children were regularly examined in a study of the effects of fluoridation by the University of Tennessee dental school." If someone can find some good sources, then add it back in to the history or give me the sources and I'll do it. Thanks!RageBanken (talk) 01:43, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Transportation

For now I'm removing the claim "Milan's elevation of 424 feet (129 m) is the highest point between the Great Lakes and the Gulf of Mexico on the former Illinois Central Railroad."

If someone could please provide a source (I sure can't find one, been trying for the last week) go ahead and add it back in or give me the source and I'll re-add it.RageBanken (talk) 06:36, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Found it. Again in the Gibson County Sesquicentennial Commemorative Booklet. Claim has been re-added. RageBanken (talk) 10:51, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Education

Annie Lisle the 1857 ballad links to Milan as a school that uses the tune for its alma mater. I would like to include a reference to this regarding Milan High School, but I can't find a reference. Does anyone have a useable reference for this? RageBanken (talk) 05:41, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm removing the uncited claim about an active Polk Clark alumni organization. I'll keep looking for a citation, if anyone has one that would help a lot. RageBanken (talk) 06:29, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This Facebook page should prove there's an active Polk-Clark (with hyphen) alumni organization: https://www.facebook.com/gcts.polkclark?fref=ts — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.122.214.248 (talk) 04:11, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Date Format

This article seems to have some variance in its dating systems. For now I'm proposing and using the following dating systems:

For citations and access dates on citations - yyyy-mm-dd

For date references in the body of the article - dd-mmm-yyyy (21 August 1991 or 3 June 1991)

If anyone has any thoughts on this, please discuss if anyone has a better idea! RageBanken (talk) 07:05, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cemetery Locations?

Is it appropriate to refer to Oakwood Cemetery as the "city's main cemetery"? This would imply that the city has more than one. If the city has more than one cemetery, then the other should be listed as well. So far, I have been unable to locate any information online about a second cemetery.

I'll give it some time for responses, but if no one can find a reference for another city cemetery then I am going to change the phrasing back to the singular. RageBanken (talk) 00:27, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It would be rare for a town this size in the south or the east no to have at least one church with a graveyard. Is the cemetery already mentioned city-owned? If so, it belongs where it is but the fact that it is municipal needs to be referenced. Saving someone notable being buried in it, no other cemetery needs mentioning, even if there were 36. Wikipedia is not a directory. John from Idegon (talk) 03:44, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Normally I would agree, but Milan is an odd little town that's fairly recent compared to many other southern cities. I personally have never heard of another cemetery here. Well, there are others in the area that I know of, but they are all outside city limits. Even asking around, the locals don't seem to know of any others in the city.

I feel relatively safe in returning the wording to singular, though I do need to dig up an inline citation for it still. RageBanken (talk) 02:28, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cloverdale Negro Community Cemetery is located within the city limits. As the name indicates, it is a burial ground established for blacks. Evidence for its existence is located here: http://tn-roots.com/tngibson/cemeteries/South-Gibson-Cemeteries.pdf I am unaware of any church cemeteries within the city limits, other than a single burial on the grounds of First Baptist Church. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.122.214.248 (talk) 05:04, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Railroads

The statement that "Milan is connected to four Class 1 railroads" is from the city website, and that statement appears there. However, all Class 1s are interconnected,and here, the connections with CN, KCS, and NS are 100 or more miles away, along with a connection to BNSF which is not mentioned on the city website. Take a look at a railroad map. And the reference to rail interchanges is misleading at best. CSX actually runs through Milan, where it intersects with West Tennessee RR. The interchange with CSX mentioned on the city website Humboldt is also with a different line operated by West Tennessee. Also, CSX operates trains over the Milan-to-Jackson line running through Milan to Jackson. All of this should be verifiable through a national railroad map, or through the railroads. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.122.214.248 (talk) 04:07, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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