Talk:Mike Lowell

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Mike Lowell is retireing after his 2010 season

Congratulations to Mr. Lowell for having a magnificent year (2007). I wish he were a Yankee. I especially congratulate him on being a cancer survivor and staying strong and continuing to achieve. He is an inspiration to many!! 24.189.35.249 (talk) 20:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

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Is John H. Sununu a Cuban-American? Was John McCain a Panamanian-American? Was George W. Romney (Mitt Romney's Father and former Governor of Michigan) a Mexican-American? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.200.194.144 (talk) 17:03, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Being born in Puerto Rico doesn't make you a Puerto Rican. His father is Cuban. The write up doesn't say what nationality his mother is but assuming she is also Cuban, Mike Lowell is a Cuban who just happened to be born in Puerto Rico and he should not be identified as being Puerto Rican. If his mother is Puerto Rican then, of course, he would be half Puerto Rican. Furthermore, since Puerto Rico is a colony of the United States and it does not have the right to bestow its own citizenship upon its own native people or otherwise, Mr. Lowell is an American citizen of Cuban descent by virtue of having been born in Puerto Rico. He can not even be considered a Puerto Rican citizen because there is no legally recognizable status. Please do not misinterpret this note. He is an excellent baseball player and certainly an excellent role model for young Latinos. As a Puerto Rican/Latino I am proud of his accomplishments. I am merely attempting to correct a factual note in his biography that is not accurate. I wish he were a Met. February 26, 2009. REONYC57.

Puerto Ricans have their own separate nationality since 1898, it does exist. Lowell intended to represent Puerto Rico in the 2009 WBC, which clearly establishes his allegiance. His father, who was indeed Cuban lived and even played for Puerto Rico, its not like Mike was only born in the archipelago. - Caribbean~H.Q. 02:07, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Um... correction! Being born in Puerto Rico MAKES you a Puerto Rican. Just like being born in the US makes you American. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.73.67 (talk) 20:49, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Is John H. Sununu a Cuban-American? Was John McCain a Panamanian-American? Was George W. Romney (Mitt Romney's Father and former Governor of Michigan) a Mexican-American?

Mr. Lowell spent moths in PR? He's a Cuban-American. Please. He has no ties to P.R. culture. But if you want to edith the main page and deny that he truly is a Cuban-American, so be it. Just realize that his parents his friends and his culture are all Cuban-American, not Puerto Rican. I didn't realize that the Wiki gods would come down harshly on a clarification. If this is the wrong place for this discussion, please delete it but it seems like it is. And if you delete it, I will know it was the wrong place to post it, no need for a slap on the wrist. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.153.162.231 (talk) 03:13, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

He was planning to play for Puerto Rico in the WBC. He was born in Puerto Rico. How is that no ties to P.R. culture? xschm (talk) 19:41, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

In my comment above I did not state that Puerto Ricans do not have their own nationality. We do and, in fact, our nationality as Puerto Ricans was established long before 1898; hundreds of years before as the Spanish, African and Taino people fused into the Puerto Rican culture and identity. The earliest political manifestation of our identity and culture as a nation of Puerto Ricans was in 1868 with El Grito de Lares revolt against Spanish colonial rule.

What Puerto Rico has been deprived of since its national identity was formed is the right to exist in the world of nations as an autonomous and independent nation with the rights and freedoms of all people to self determination and to govern themselves free of the control of a foreign power, the last 100+ years plus under the political control of the United States. As such, we are American citizens (the Jones Act of 1917) with no political right to to be a Puerto Rican citizen. Thus, a Puerto Rican nationality does exist but a Puerto Rican citizen does not. Puerto Rican nationality is in our blood and history not in the accidental coincidence that you may have happened to be born in Puerto Rico while on a weekend vacation. Ponder this question: if both your parents are Chinese and happen to visiting Puerto Rico and your mother was 9 months pregnant at the time and you happend to be born in Puerto Rico, does this make you a Puerto Rican? No, you are a Chinese who simply was born in Puerto Rico. And you can not be born a Puerto Rican citizen because that legal status doesn't exist in Puerto Rico even for Puerto Ricans. Similarly, if your Puerto Rican parents were in the miltary and living in Iraq and you happend to be born in Baghdad, does this make you an Iraqui? No.

Also, when have you seen a Puerto Rican passport?

Similarly, if you happen to be born in the United States of Chinese parents, this doesn't make you an American. You are Chinese (nationality) and legally an American citizen because the laws of this country so provide. March 11, 2009. REONYC57 —Preceding unsigned comment added by REONYC57 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Really? - Caribbean~H.Q. 02:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Confusing Sentence Placement

In the first section, it is confusing as to whether Mike or his father played in the Pan American games. Just thought I'd get that out there... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.133.21 (talk) 00:35, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

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Mike Lowell was born in puerto rico to Cuban parents. That makes him Cuban , the fact that he was born in puerto rico is not important. He is married to a Cuban wife and the fact that he was thinking about playing for puerto rico in the WBC was most likely because he wanted to beat fidel's team because Fidel kicked him out of his family's country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.154.94.132 (talk) 20:18, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

The mere fact that he born in Puerto Rico makes him a dual citizen. His interest was to represent Puerto Rico in the World Baseball Classic because was born there and his father played for Puerto Rico, he said it himself. Even if that was not the case, your perception of the issue is nothing more than original research. To top the cake, Carlos Lowell left Cuba before he was a teenager and stayed there long enough to gain residence, which discards any allegation of being born in Puerto Rico "by chance". All of the IP addresses (I'm guessing all of them were you) that have been changing this back and forth come from Florida, which is home to a large ex-pat Cuban population, making obvious that the changes are propaganda. Hence the current protection. - Caribbean~H.Q. 20:52, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

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Either way, Puerto rican or Cuban, he is still a great baseball player. I KNOW he has Cuban decent somehow but if what you had said is true, than I guess he is considered Puerto rican. Just to let you know, I do think the Island of puerto rico is a great place and I would want to go there to visit sometime. I am not Cuban and I have just not had the time or felt the need to set up a wikipedia account. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.154.94.132 (talk) 00:10, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Dear Caribbean H.Q.: It's amazing, I just realized that one year ago to date ( February 26,2009 )I attempted to clarify that Mike Lowell is NOT Puerto Rican. I think this fact has been clearly established. I have not ben on this page since March 2009. I am now compelled to clarify your comment that because he was born in Puerto Rico this bestows upon him dual citizenship. It does not. As noted previosly(see my March 11, 2009 comment above), although Puerto Ricans are a distinct nationality and culture regretably we do not control the sovereignty of our nation such that we do not possess our own citizenship status. We were decreed American citizens by an Act of Congress ( The Jones Act of 1917 ). The fact that the United States Congress decided that Puerto Ricans should be American citizens means that legally (under the laws of the United States)Puerto Ricans cannot be citizens of Puerto Rico. The history of why the US Congress decided to make Puerto Rican citizens is an interesting one but I will not get into it in this commentary. I think it's about time that Wikipedia correct its misstatement of fact: Mike Lowell is NOT of Puerto Rican descent. February 26, 2010. REONYC57.REONYC57 (talk) 04:41, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Again. - Caribbean~H.Q. 02:01, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• I was told that this discussion was going on and asked to comment. Sorry REONYC57, but you are wrong and right at the same time.

1. You are wrong in assuming that Lowell is not Puerto Rican. Every person born in Puerto Rico is Puerto Rican. Regardless of the fact that Puerto Rico is not an independent nation, it is a nation as defined, whose people share a common culture, traditions, language and so on. Oh yes, and citizenship. The Puerto Rico Supreme Court decision affirmed that persons born in Puerto Rico and persons subject to their jurisdiction are Citizens of Puerto Rico under the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico Constitution. But, let's make believe that Puerto Rico was a state of the United States, Lowell would still be a Puerto Rican much as that everyone born in New York is a New Yorker.

2. You are right in assuming that "Lowell is NOT of Puerto Rican descent". Lowell is a Puerto Rican of Cuban descent, same as many great Puerto Ricans, such as the former governor of Puerto Rico, the late Luis A. Ferre who was a Puerto Rican of Cuban descent.

When the United States enacted the Jones Act of 1917, Puerto Ricans were not required to denounce their Puerto Rican citizenship, which was recognized by the United States after the Treaty of Paris was signed. As a matter of fact when the Foraker Act of 1900 was enacted, they were only required to denounce their "Spanish" citizenship. This was a fact that was forgotten until recent research discovered that in fact Puerto Ricans have and are entitled to both citizenship's.

Laws Concerning Citizenship/Nationality

The modern world is divided up into nations with each nation, at least nominally, exercising control over its own territory and the people who reside within that territory. Among modern nations, citizenship at birth is conveyed in one of two ways; either though Jus soli (the right of the soil or the land) meaning that one’s nationality is determined by the place of one's birth; or through jus sanguinis (the right of blood) where nationality is determined by the nationality of one's descent (parents). Birthright citizenship is the term used for Jus soli as it is applied under US law.

Now, in regard to the example which you used why up above of a person being born in a military base. Military bases are the exemption because of the treaties involved between the country establishing the base and the government of the country where the base is being established. In other words, the oversea bases of the United States are considered United States property and will continue to be so until the treaty with the other country involved expires. Therefore, everyone born in a US base is considered an American citizen, however if they are born outside of the base, then their citizenship is that of the sponsering country.

Take care., Tony the Marine (talk) 06:56, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Why can't we just change the opening to read:

Michael Averett Lowell (born February 24, 1974, in San Juan, Puerto Rico) is a Major League Baseball third baseman for the Boston Red Sox. He is a right-handed batter, and previously played with the New York Yankees (1998) and Florida Marlins (1999–2005).

Thus removing any reference to nationality or ancestry (which seems out of place and awkardly worded, considering the opening sentence already mentions that he was born in Puerto Rico).

Then we can change the Biography section to read something like:

Lowell, a lifelong Roman Catholic, was born in Puerto Rico to Carl and Beatriz Lowell, Cuban exiles. His family relocated to Miami, Florida when Mike Lowell was four years old. As a high school sophmore, he was chosen to play for the varsity baseball team at Christopher Columbus High School , but did not get any playing time, so he transferred to Coral Gables for his junior year.

Seems like this would sidestep most of the disagreement. Any thoughts? (all the extra material I've added is supported by [1] which is already cited in that paragraph of the biography section)

—Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) talk 04:06, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment

The above suggestion was posted by User:LiberalFascist. I would not object to the suggestion. I believe, however that since his place of birth is going to be mentioned in the first paragraph, then it should not be included in the introduction, as is the norm in most articles. Any thoughts? Tony the Marine (talk) 05:13, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Whoops, added my signature to make things more clear. (SineBot must be asleep) —Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) talk 12:02, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

After reading a few featured biographical articles, I'm in agreement. We should take 'in Puerto Rico' out of the lead section. I crossed it out above, is that what you were referring to? —Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) talk 12:18, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

• • Yes, that is what I was referring to. Tony the Marine (talk) 07:26, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

References

3x WS Champ

Why does this change keep being reverted? Lowell played for the Yankees in 98 and got a WS ring from Steinbrenner as well (as per Steinbrenner's anyone who played even one game contributed to the championship policy. Is it because he didn;t play in the post season? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.83.73.18 (talk) 15:39, 20 September 2013 (UTC)