Talk:Mihajlo Petrović (pilot)

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A fact from Mihajlo Petrović (pilot) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 April 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Mihajlo Petrović was the second combat casualty in the history of military aviation?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2021/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mihajlo Petrović (pilot).

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Mihajlo Petrović (pilot)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: JPxG (talk · contribs) 20:02, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Let's jam! jp×g 20:02, 30 March 2021 (UTC) Okay, for this one I will use the same scale as I do for all my reviews.[reply]

Y This thing is good, no issue.
N This thing needs to be fixed or clarified.
Ng This thing has been fixed or clarified.
This thing should be fixed, but I won't hold up a "pass" for it.
? Huh?

Preliminary notes

This is a very short article, with only four sources. This is mostly because there isn't a whole lot of detail about the guy available online. That said, the sources look pretty credible. Let's take a look-see.

Copyvio

Y Earwig's detector brings up a zero point zero. I will also go through and check the sources individually.
Y None of the statements in the article resembled their sources to the point of being suspicious.

Stability / POV

Y This is a fairly new article, so it's hard to tell if it is stable in the long term, but I expect it to be (apart from the normal things that happen to articles about things in the Balkans). There's no POV evident in the article; it just says what the state of sourced knowledge is on the subject.

Media

Y All media is in the public domain, relevant to the subject, and clearly illustrative.

Focus / scope / coverage / completeness

Y Goes into a good amount of detail on Mihajlo's life and goings-on, using most if not all of what's available from sources.
This article is pretty scant on background. For example, why is it relevant that the Serbian Air Force was buying planes in 1912 and surveying? What were they surveying for? There are adequate wikilinks, but I think a short description of what was going on might be helpful. Especially since this is a very short article to begin with, that has little in the way of supporting details; it's just kind of a "here's where he was born, he joined the air force on this date, then he died" type of deal.

Prose / MoS

Ng ~~20 March [O.S. 7 March] This happened in 1913; is there a reason it's being provided in Old Style? There are a few dates using Old Style in this article, was Serbia using Old Style then?~~

Y I've looked it up, and apparently in Serbia the Old Style calendar is often used. No longer an issue.

Ng ~~It says his altitude limit in meters/feet, and then how far he fell in kilometers/miles. It should be consistent.~~

Y Fixed. jp×g 23:32, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ref check

Y Ref 1 (Radio Television of Serbia) is good.
Ng Ref 2 (Cross and Cockade Journal): Couldn't find any way to access this online. I will have to AGF on what it says.

Y All instances of this citation are now backed up with other citations that are accessible (with the sole exception of a couple dates on years that are referenced from other sources), so it's no longer load-bearing. jp×g 23:50, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Y Ref 3 (Air Warfare) seems legitimate, and supports everything that it is used to cite.
Y Ref 4 (Južne vesti) also seems legitimate, and also supports everything that it is used to cite.

Conclusion

@Amanuensis Balkanicus: I am ready to pass this, as soon as I figure out what the deal is with the Old Style dates. Some expansion (at least a bare-bones explanation of what the air force was up to in 1912/1913) would be good as well. Let me know what you think. jp×g 00:29, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I figured out the issue with the dates on my own. I will pass this article, but strongly recommend that some background be given for Serbian military activities of the time. jp×g 09:42, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@JPxG: Thanks for picking this up. Is there anything in WP:CITE that says an inline citation is needed at the end of each sentence? I'm aware that DYK requires this regardless of the ref at the end of the paragraph, but facts such as the birth date and where he went to school aren't particularly controversial, so I don't see why it is necessary to have virtually each sentence in the first paragraph of the Biography section end with an inline citation (especially since all the material is covered by the RTS source). Also, the Cross & Cockade article can be accessed by snippet view on Google Books.

As for the activities of the Serbian Air Force, I can add that the order to establish it was made in December 1912, maybe some more context on the Littoral Air Detachment (how and when its planes arrived at Scutari, the names of all the pilots, which planes each pilot was trained to fly, etc.) Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 15:29, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 07:15, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Mihajlo Petrović was the second combat casualty in the history of military aviation? Source: Air Warfare: an International Encyclopedia: A–L
- ALT1:... that the aviator Mihajlo Petrović has an air base named after him? Source: Niški vojni aerodrom dobio ime "Narednik-pilot Mihajlo Petrović"

Created/expanded by Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk). Self-nominated at 15:28, 5 April 2021 (UTC). Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Trifunović (politician)[reply]

Article was promoted to GA status on time, and no close paraphrasing was found. Only ALT0 is approved as the more interesting hook; although it is cited to a book, the Google Books snippet confirms it. Both hooks however are cited inline. Just waiting on a QPQ before approving. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 13:17, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for taking this up. Reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Trifunović (politician). Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 14:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, GTG. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 14:41, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]