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British Isles

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1)From British Isles (terminology):

[British Isles] is the oldest of any of the terms discussed here, being recorded in a Greek text of 325 BC in the form Pretanikai nesoi (Pretanic isles). As this term predates any known political conflict on the islands, many people feel they can use it neutrally as geographical term

British Isles had currency in the period. Since we are discussing a topic that occurred in the 5th century AD, I don't see how anyone could take offense with the term, it is fairly neutral for the period in question and predates any political conflicts that may be of concern. British Isles is also the term used in the Dictionary of the Middle Ages encyclopedia article on this topic and thus also what is commonly used in the world of art historians, the field of the topic in question.

-- Stbalbach 17:18, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot see any problem in saying Great Britian and Ireland, and I will change it again if you revert again, period. Bluegold 17:59, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stbalbach, I believe you are from the United States of America, I would hope that you would have the common courtesy and decency to recognize and honor my country as I recognize and honor yours. Also I see you have deleted several complaints from your talk page. - Bluegold 19:10, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bluegold, you have not made it clear what the problem is so let me ask you to clarify. "common courtesy and decency to recognize and honor my country" - what does that mean, how is that an issue? It's very clear from what I wrote above, and what is written in the article -- did you even read the latest revision? you reverted cited material -- that the concept is being used as cited and sourced by mainstream art historians in a neutral manner. It's not saying what your suggesting it's saying, in fact, just the opposite, it could not be more clear. As for my talk page, I don't permit people to use my talk page over content disputes and carry them over from article discussions into my talk page in an attempt to bully through an intellectual discussion; those are demagog and ad hominem tactics that avoid the issue at hand. -- Stbalbach 02:57, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The term 'British Isles' was never used until about 1500's. Most of the art on the page is of old Ireland anyway. It's easy to pick a couple of references from 2000 years ago, but it doesn't prove the case for the British Isles. It originally was a political term, during a time when the great art works of Ireland were being plundered and smelted down for the enritchment of a forign nonelected ruling class. Bel air 20:23, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, well, this is not the place or forum to appeal to the sympathies of a cause; it is certainly a tragedy that Ireland lost artwork, seriously, but can we stick to the topic at hand? British Isles (terminology) tells us where the term came from and when (Greek, 2nd Century BC), and the term is appropriate for use in this article about the "dark ages", as supported by cited references, as a neutral descriptor, because it predates any modern-era political concerns. I just can't believe that your trying to black-wash this term as being entirely pejorative with no legitimate usage. At Wikipedia, we report on what other people do, not what we think the world should do. The term British Isles is appropriate in the context of this article, as evidenced by cited sources, and by our very own Wikipedia article on the term. -- Stbalbach 22:49, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Smile, :)) don't get too worked up!!! Bel air 23:58, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Frankish.grave.goods.jpg

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Fair use rationale for Image:Gothic.fibula.jpg

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