Talk:Middleton Towers railway station

Routebox

Very happy to consider that change in this case if the appropriate "National Rail" box is placed, clarifying that the line is open to Kings Lynn as a freight line. Neith-Nabu (talk) 20:38, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps this would work - or a version thereof? This reflects the assertion that the box refers to passenger use, but includes the fact that the line is still open and operational as part of the network. It seems odd to include Kings Lynn as "closed", although it is closed in the context of a station providing services over this surviving section of line.

Preceding station		National Rail		Following station
Kings Lynn		GB Railfreight		Terminus

Preceding station		Disused railways		Following station
King's Lynn Line open, station closed		Great Eastern Railway Lynn and Dereham Railway		East Winch Line and station closed

Neith-Nabu (talk) 19:30, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

As I have explained before, routeboxes are not used for goods services. This was already the established practice before I arrived at Wikipedia, so more than ten years. We also (for a similar period) do not put references in routeboxes. If it is felt that references are needed, they belong in the article prose. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:19, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Funny, as I have pointed out (and you have agreed) there is no Wikipedia policy on this. There is, however, one on the use of common sense in the application of guidelines. That was there when I made my first edit, in about the second year Wikipedia existed, and is still there now. You know exactly why the reference was added. To prevent ongoing attempts to incite edit warring.

There is not a single element in the wording in the ROUTE box that indicates that it is a passenger service indication box. The text directly states "Line closed" - not "Service withdrawn" or anything of that like. A closed line is a form of official status. This line is not closed. Therefore a solution needs to be found that provides the correct factual information, not an opinion. Neith-Nabu (talk) 07:55, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Please do not make claims that are easily disproved: your first edit was in January 2017, sixteen years after Wikipedia began.

Can you find any instances of routeboxes being used for goods services in the UK? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:48, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

That is not the point being made - as you know. Oh, and this id is not my first edit. I know that some people feel the need to build their ego on here - I just edit, and have done for a very long time. I also used to add content back when we were building the site. None of that actually matters, though, so lets stick to the simple need to resolve an issue where a guideline is being applied in a way that is causing a propagation of misleading, false information. Neith-Nabu (talk) 12:45, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

If you can find any, it would disprove my claim that routeboxes are not used for goods services. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:48, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

I am only interested in ensuring that open lines cease to be identified as "closed" when they clearly are not. Although errors have always crept in form time to time, I am slightly bemused that an editor would be so determined to ensure that false statements are included on Wikipedia. I would suggest that the option put forward by another editor on the Kimberley Park railway station talk page could be another way to deal with the issue that has now been raised. However, one way or another, active railways need to not be claimed to be closed. Wikiepdia is about facts, not opinions. Your opinion that only passenger lines are "open" is not a fact. I know from your previous comment you also find the thought of the legal implications of such false reporting amusing, but I would prefer not to see Wikipedia cited as a reason for, say, a family burying a child who was only playing on what they had read was a "closed" railway. Neith-Nabu (talk) 12:55, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Or, better yet, the one suggested on Wymondham Abbey by @Mjroots:

Preceding station		Disused railways		Following station
King's Lynn Line open, station open No scheduled passenger service		Great Eastern Railway Lynn and Dereham Railway		East Winch Line and station closed

Neith-Nabu (talk) 13:01, 8 June 2019 (UTC)