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GA Review

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Reviewer: Buttons to Push Buttons (talk · contribs) 16:12, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I remember hearing about Scarponi's death. Very sad. Will get stuck into the review over the next hour or so. (As a heads up, this is my first GA review, but as I have a familiarity with the subject, it should hopefully be smooth sailing :)) Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 16:12, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

First things first: it's very good, in solid shape all round. The prose is coherent and consistent with few flaws, making for a very easy read, and it seems to go into the appropriate levels of depth depending on the period of his career. There are some minor referencing issues, but they're brief and can be easily handled en masse via easily accessed routine coverage. No NPOV worries – all issues surrounding doping are covered sensibly and with balance. My only major reservation is the lead, which is, to be blunt, limp and lifeless. MOS:LEAD says:

The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important contents.

But here, all it does is put into very basic prose the content of the infobox, not particularly the article... No discussion of his domestique beginnings, Operation Puerto, his three other top-five finishes at the Giro, his return to a domestique role in support of Nibali... At the moment I'd say it's fit for a start-class article, not a GA-class one, especially one with this much high-quality prose in the actual body.

Besides that, there are a bunch of smaller issues within, but they're absolutely routine, and nothing to really worry about. Could be handled in an hour or two, I'd imagine, and certainly shouldn't hold the GA listing up for very long. I've handled a few things here and there myself, as apparently that's fine per WP:GAN/I#R3 section 4, or WP:BOLD. But I've left the referencing work to the actual editors of the article. (For the record, most of the ref issues can be solved by just using his individual PCS season pages -- indeed, ref 173 already is one such case.) Going section-by-section:

2002–2004: Turning professional

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  • Ref needed for turning professional in 2002 (ref 20, "A career of smiles and sacrifice", works for this, fyi)
  • Ref needed for second overall in 2002 Settimana Lombardia
  • Ref needed for 2003 Giro d'Abruzzo stage win & third overall
  • Ref needed for 2004 Settimana Lombardia and Tour of Austria result

2007: Acqua & Sapone–Caffè Mokambo

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  • Ref needed for 2007 Clasica de Almeria, including that he finished outside the time limit (not sure if PCS will cover that specifically. Perhaps CyclingNews would?)

2008–2010: Diquigiovanni–Androni

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  • Refs needed for 2008 Giro dell'Appennino and Giro dell'Emilia
  • Refs needed for 2009 Prueba Villafranca de Ordizia and Coppa Ugo Agostoni
  • Refs needed for 2010 Giro points & mountains classifications

Lampre-ISD

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  • Ref needed for "Scarponi moved into the top ten of the overall classification definitively after stage 14,"
  • Ref "Classifications stage 20 – Rambouillet > Paris Champs-Élysées – Tour de France 2012" is now dead, and doesn't have a usable archive, unfortunately. Shouldn't be too hard to find a substitute, I would imagine.
  • Refs needed for 2013 Gran Premio Città di Camaiore, Paris–Nice, Giro del Trentino, Tour de Suisse, Tour de Pologne, and 15th overall at 2013 Vuelta
  • I get what he had been part of a 28-man breakaway, but was the last rider to remain clear of the field, after Alexandre Geniez had finished three minutes ahead as the stage winner. means, but it reads a bit awkwardly to me, and I think a layman may not catch its meaning. It kind of implies he was the only one of the 28 to stay clear, where it actually means he was the last of the only two to successfully stay clear.

2014–2017: Astana

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  • Need a ref for "... as well as finishing two stages in sixth place." [in the 2015 Tour of the Basque Country]
  • Need a ref for "He again started his season at the Tour de San Luis," and "He competed in the Tour de Suisse, ..." -- ref 173, "Michele Scarponi – 2016 Results", covers both.
  • I'd also probably use that same ref for "... taking three top ten stage finishes, ..."

Death section

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  • Ref 183, "Individual Classification by time 5", is dead, and I can't find a working archive. This seems to be the new URL: [1] but it doesn't list the date, which was the purpose of the ref, unfortunately -- needed to show it was the day before he died.
  • There is a PDF version, but doesn't have an immediate link visible. I've added a reference from CyclingTips.com, which has a quote from Astana showing a yesterday. Craig(talk) 12:54, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The back-and-forth between Scarponi's racing in the Tour of the Alps & impending Giro versus what happened in the accident make things a little unclear here, at least in terms of sourcing. For example, He was riding along the SP 362 provincial road (Via dell'Industria), one kilometre (0.62 mi) from the town centre. looks unsourced, because it's not in the subsequent inline ref 184, but is verified by ref 185, for example. Could perhaps reshuffle the order of these sentence, or else simply repeat ref 185 for this part.

Major results

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  • Can't verify some of these results in any of the three given sources:
  • 2011, 4th in UCI World Tour (CyclingArchives hasn't accounted for Contador's disqualification -- reusing the refs from that part of the prose here would be great, perhaps via a footnote?)
  • He won the 2011 Tirreno Adriatico points classification according to the refs, but that isn't listed. If we're gonna mention it for the Giro d'Abruzzo, we should surely mention it for Tirreno :)
  • Within the Grand Tour timetable, the ref says 12th for the 2005 Vuelta, and 32nd for the 2009 Giro, whereas the article says 11th and 31st. Another awkward disqualification-driven one, but no idea who it was, as I don't think that was Contador.
  • No listed ref for the major stage race GC or monuments timelines. Simply reusing the overview of his PCS profile, ref 198, "Michele Scarponi – Results", would work fine.

Fix those and the lead, and it'll be a very happy pass from me. (As a brief aside, I had an interesting moment reading through this when I remembered actually watched some of the race in question, hah – Hesjedal winning the Giro.) Any questions or anything, feel free to ping. Cheers! Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 22:21, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

One quick addition: I forgot about MOS:ACCIM, which says that images all need alt-text for accessibility (for both blind readers and those using screen readers). Should be another quick thing, though. Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 23:51, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Lead has now been significantly expanded from what it was before, and alternative text has been added to images (I've not added such before, so I've tried my best to add the most appropriate terminology for these). Craig(talk) 17:20, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Great stuff. I've done the same fine-toothed combing of the new references and their claims, and everything looks in order to me. Alts for images look completely acceptable. The lead is terrific -- on par with the rest of the article now.
The one thing I haven't particularly mentioned in the review is the image licensing -- I've been through them all manually, and they all seem proper to me. All but two were verified by bots as having the correct licensing on Flickr; one was released by the team as royalty free, as proven by the archive; the final one was taken by a Wikipedian who clearly lives in the area (given their other images) with no issues of copyright violation on their talk page, so I have no reason to doubt its status. Therefore, they all seem to have the appropriate licensing.
Given all this, I now believe this meets every part of the GA criteria, and I'm now delighted to give this a pass. When I took this up, I wondered whether to mention that I'd be happy to give you an extra week (at least), considering the 6-month delay in getting it reviewed. Instead, you've gotten it done in 24 hours! Remarkable, tbh. So congratulations, and thank you! Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 20:13, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]