Talk:Michael Servetus/Archives/2013/May

Footnote 57

This is a small matter, but I think accuracy counts, even in small matters. In the list of Servetus' works, the third, the 1525 Geography, mentions the edition of Bilibald Pirkheimer. The footnote calls him Bibibald Pickheimer. I think the first is correct, but only someone with access to the first edition can answer this: How is the name actually spelled in the printed text? J S Ayer (talk) 00:51, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Dear J S Ayer. The name Michael wrote down varies, for Latin forms need to be conjugated: ex Bilibaldi Pirckeymheri in the cover of both 1535 and 1541 editions, and Bilibaldo in 25th line of the prologue in the Trechel Bros's edition of 1535 in Lyon, and in the 28th line in the prologue of 1541 De la Porte & Gaspard Trechel's ' edition in Vienne Isère, always right next to Erasmus. Its english propper form and wikipedia inner link would be to Willibald Pirckheimer--Anatoly Ilych Belousov (talk) 15:01, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

( if you ment what Willibald wrote down in his own geography in 1525 then it is Bilibaldo Pirckeymhero, but I think you ment the geography of Michael of 1535 right? :))--Anatoly Ilych Belousov (talk) 15:14, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I meant that the third letter of the first name is l in the first case, b in the second, and that the third letter of the second name is r in the first case, c in the second. Inflection has nothing to do with it. J S Ayer (talk) 16:15, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I just gave more information cause I did not understand what you exactly ment, I simply checked two tomes of my private antique collection, I hope it helped to figure out those letters,:).--Anatoly Ilych Belousov (talk) 20:36, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

So, will someone please look it up? Is it printed as BiLibald PiRkheimer, or BiBibald PiCkheimer? J S Ayer (talk) 21:25, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I already answered to your question. As I said, none of them. It is Bilibaldo "Pirckheimer" , B,I,L,I,B...... P,I,R,C,K. Every time that name shows up in Michael's work, and also in Bilibald's own works. I did look it up, in the prologues of both editions of the Geography of Ptolemi of michael and I told u the lines,and I looked up Bilibaldo's own work from 1525. I thought that was already clear.--Anatoly Ilych Belousov (talk) 22:20, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

On the faith of your answer, I have altered the spelling in the footnote to what you say the original said. J S Ayer (talk) 01:13, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Dates

The article jumps confusingly between 1553 and 1546 and back again. On which date was Servetus's book (Christianismi Restitutio) written? On which date did Calvin send Servetus a copy of his own book? Was Restitutio written in 46 and published in 53? In which year did the exchange of letters between the two men occur, 46 or 53? DancesWithGrues (talk) 14:13, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

It is not clear when Christianismi Restitutio was started, or how long it took for Michael to complete it, sources suggest an inttermitent process through more than 7 years. There is a draft by Servetus of 143 pages of this work which is dated c.1546, called Manuscript of Paris, which matches with the description of Michael sending a draft of his work to Calvin, in 1546, a draft that Calvin never gave back to Michael. This shows up Michael was working in Chirstianismi Restitutio in a serious way at least since 1546. It is certain anyway that it was published in 1553 with Arnoullet, as you said. The exchange of letters occured in 1546--Anatoly Ilych Belousov (talk) 16:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)