Talk:Michael Leggiere

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Notability

Michael Leggiere is clearly one of the top Napoleonic scholars in the United States, and therefore is a notable individual in the field. His book Fall of Napoleon was internationally credited as the year's best book on Napoleon, anywhere in the world. He is also a former department chair, and is an active member of the American Society for Military History, where he is on the Program Committee.

It all needs references though to verify this person's notability. His self-written resume alone is not sufficient. Please read Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons.

Also, it's best not to publish your home address and phone number for everyone to see. Astronaut (talk) 02:12, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of references you can look at, try doing a google search for Michael Leggiere. Florida State University University of North Texas Louisiana State University

And do you really think an established professor would be lying on his resume about his career and academic awards? Don't you think people would notice that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.191.222.101 (talk) 16:08, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't suggesting that an established professor was lying on his resume. However, the policies on notability and reliable sources and in particular self-published sources, make it quite clear that self-published sources are not ideal. If the professor is notable, then surely there will be other third party references that will clearly establish notability independant of his resume; and if those third party sources exist, then why were they not cited in the article. Astronaut (talk) 18:57, 5 April 2009 (UTC)\[reply]

They were cited in the article, I can't help it if you aren't familiar with sources like the Military History Society or the International Napoleonic Society. Try having good faith? I'm sorry, but its one thing to ask for more citations, while its reprehensible to nominate an article for quick deletion based solely off the fact that you aren't familiar with Napoleonic historiography and therefore can't recognize a notable individual from a non-notable. If you don't know, ask, but don't start nominating stuff for deletion just because you can. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.191.222.101 (talk) 04:52, 6 April 2009

I'm sorry you feel so upset about this. Back when I first nominated the article for deletion, (see this old revision) no sources were cited except for Michael Leggiere's own resume. As I hinted at above, the way that readers can "recognize a notable individual from a non-notable" individual is by checking the sources provided. Since no sources except the self-published resume were provided, I think I was justified at the time in nominating the article for deletion, especially since in my opinion, the whole article read like the kind of non-notable online resume that gets posted on Wikipedia from time to time. Now that you have provided sources, it is clear that Michael Leggiere is in fact notable. Astronaut (talk) 15:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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