Talk:Mexican Joe Rivers

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Removed quotes in footnotes

It is common, in some places, to use a footnote to add a colorful anecdote, or additional explanatory material, not fitting into the flow of the main document. That practice is generally not encouraged in Wikipedia, as far as I can tell. I posed the question here. While the full community has obviously not weighed in, the consensus appears to me that quotes should be revered for two related classes of use:

In a case where there may be controversy about a particular fact, and whether the cited reference supports that fact, the use of the quote will make it easier for readers and editors to reach their own conclusion, by citing the specific quote used to support the fact. This is particularly important where a reference may be not online, or behind a pay wall.
When an opinion is paraphrased, the quote will help readers and editors determine whether the paraphrase is accurate.

This article did have a quote in a footnote, and it is my opinion that the quote does not support either use listed above, thus I have removed it, or truncated it. Should anyone disagree, or feel that there are other examples of allowable quotes, feel free to start a discussion. I suggest here, if you disagree with my conclusion that this quote doesn't fall into one of those two examples, or at Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content#.22brief_verbatim_textual_excerpts.22_revisited if you feel there should be other allowed uses.

I did leave the Boxrec quote, in case there is any confusion about the antecedent of "he". There shouldn't be and it could be worded differently. I also left the second LAT quote, as it quite short, but it isn't strictly needed.--SPhilbrick (Talk) 17:57, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Another Joe Rivers (d. 1945 Australia)

There was also a Joe RIVERS who came to Australia. The name alignment was probably capitalising on the RIVERS of the primary article. More information on this RIVERS can be found in the tagged articles of Trove.

Born circa 1905 in Mexico, Ascension Ramrez (or Ramirez) and nicknamed Joe Rivers (also Jose or Joey Rivers) was touted as a serious contender for the world's featherweight championship in 1928.^[1] He then toured Australia. By 1932 the 'one time good featherweight boxer' became a boxing umpire in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia.^[2] After marrying a divorced socialite in March 1940, Rivers died on the 20th of January 1945 in Brisbane, allegedly aged 52.^[3]

Q8682 (talk) 12:39, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Boxing. Like photograph". Daily Standard. No. 5001. Queensland. 26 September 1928. p. 9. Retrieved 16 March 2016 – via National Library of Australia.
^ "Queensland Boxing". The Arrow. No. 3181. New South Wales. 13 May 1932. p. 20. Retrieved 16 March 2016 – via National Library of Australia.
^ "Family Notices". The Courier-Mail. No. 3550. Queensland. 23 January 1945. p. 6. Retrieved 16 March 2016 – via National Library of Australia.

[1] "Boxing. Like photograph". Daily Standard. No. 5001. Queensland. 26 September 1928. p. 9. Retrieved 16 March 2016 – via National Library of Australia.

[2] "Queensland Boxing". The Arrow. No. 3181. New South Wales. 13 May 1932. p. 20. Retrieved 16 March 2016 – via National Library of Australia.

[3] "Family Notices". The Courier-Mail. No. 3550. Queensland. 23 January 1945. p. 6. Retrieved 16 March 2016 – via National Library of Australia.

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