Talk:Mexicali/Archive 1

Archive 1

Image dispute

The picture references a hydroelectric plant. It is not. It is a thermo-electric plant. She is standing on a stack platform, another is immediately behind her. The cooling tower is to her left below. All this equipment is not a hydroelectric but a combined cycle gas and/or liquid fuel power plant using combustion turbines. The orange safety netting is for sight safety during construction. I worked here during construction. The refernce is wrong and should be La Rosita Central Termoelectrica Ciclo Combinado. --66.210.133.12 16:50, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I have researched this myself and have updated the caption correcly. The plant is a natural-gas fired plant. I also put a reference for others to see this. Thanks for pointing out the error. lensovet 18:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Shorten list of people from Mexicali

Many of those names appear to not be notable (a few are just listed as "businessman", etc). I propose deleting the references to all of them that do not have Wikipedia entries. DarwinPeacock 20:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Looks like there was a lot of "Me Too-ism" in there as well. I've taken the Roto-Rooter to the section. - Aerobird 20:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Fact dispute

The article "Chinatowns in Latin America" says that Mexicali was founded in 1903 by Chinese workers fleeing prejudice in California. Here it says something else. Qwerty510 00:56, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't started by the Chinese, but an American land corporation the Imperial Land Company owned the Imperial Valley, US (the American side) and the Mexicali Valley on the Mexican side, whom hired several hundred Chinese railroad workers unable to become US citizens due to the Chinese Exclusion Act and ironically, over a thousand of Mexican traqueros (railroad workers) on the American side.71.102.53.48 (talk) 09:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Schools

The Schools that are there show mostly universities, and not necesarily the best. There are a few private schools worth mentioning, since they are some of the best schools in the city, if not the state. - signed by an anon IP

Calexico does have a high ratio of foreign-born students than most of the U.S. due to its proximity to Mexico, thus you could disproven popular conceptions of immigrant children exhausted or lowered the quality of public education in California and the US. Unless you're able to provide any source like the Calexico Unified School District or the Cal. Department of Education web sites. 71.102.53.48 (talk) 09:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Redlinks

Removed the following:

Other

• Mexicali Musk, men's fragance by Coty, cologne spray and after shave splash, with plastic worm at the bottom of the bottle
• Mexicali Brass, US popular music group, with hits like "Mexicali Jumping Bean", "Calexico Cocktail", " and "Spanish Flea"

Notable residents

• Norma Enriqueta "Queta" Basilio de Sotelo, famous Mexican track and field short-distance runner (100 meter hurdling sprinter). She was the final torch bearer during the Opening Ceremony of the 1968 Mexico City Olympic Games, and became the first woman in history to light the Olympic cauldron.
• Sergio Fong, Businessman
• Juan R. Peña, Businessman
• Milton Castellanos Everardo, governor of Baja California 1971-1977, born in Chiapas
• Gus Vildosola, Professional Baja Racer in Trophy Truck Class, Multiple Score Desert Series Champion
• Irak Nava, Great artist in Graphic Arts.
• Juana Rios Aizú, Poet and writter, very popular in Baja California for its sonnets and tales for children.
• José Alfredo Morón, Famous Road racing star, was a multiple runner of the year for Baja. Top runner in the mid 80's for baja, in distances ranging from 1500 to 10,000 meters and marathon. Has recorded a best 10K time of 28:46 at the prestigious Mt.Sac Relays in 1984. Is still remembered by some of the best road running coaches in Mexicali.
• Arturo Fuentes, Animator

&& bluelinks with no references.

• Celso Aguirre Bernal, historian
• Elizabeth Algrávez, poet
• Salvador Vizcarra Schumm, writer
• Adolfo Wilhelmy, first playwritter in Baja California, writer and cultural promoter

&& Adding

• Ernesto Zedillo, former President of the United Mexican States
• Nikki Clan, pop rock band

/ Six persons looks good; and anymore should and will be from non lapping areas with reputable sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.32.83.120 (talk) 23:32, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

You did a good job trimming the excesive list of people from Mexicali, but why would you delete "Queta" Basilio?. I think it's at least as worth mentioning her as it was to mention a somewhat-known pop band. Wouldn't you agree that it's an interesting fact that the first woman to light the cauldron was born in Mexicali?.Adrael 14:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Done. The thing is that it was linked incorrectly and showed up red when it actually had an article. 75.32.83.120 16:44, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

The building of an agricultural empire

i want to remove chunks of this section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.32.83.120 (talk) 00:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Mexicali coat of arms.png

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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move back per WP:NC:CITY. Any discussion to move this article to Mexicali, Baja California or the like should first take place at WT:NC:CITY. JPG-GR (talk) 05:31, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Mexicali, Baja California → Mexicali — The move to the current name from the unambiguous common name is against both WP:NC(CN) and WP:NC:CITY —--Polaron | Talk 01:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

• Support The naming convention (WP:NC:CITY#Mexico) is crystal clear on this. JPG-GR (talk) 01:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
• Support Conform with WP:NC:CITY. This guideline states that disambiguation should be done only if necessary, as is generally the rule (except for the U.S.) Spacepotato (talk) 01:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Right, cuz the U.S. is "special", hipocrita. Supaman89 (talk) 03:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

You are correct in saying that the guideline is different for the U.S. than it is for, say, the United Kingdom. If the standard for Mexico were changed so that it was the same as for the U.S., then standards would still differ for different locations, as the standard for the U.K. would still differ from the standard for the U.S. (and now also from Mexico.) So, your preferred change would not avoid inconsistency. Spacepotato (talk) 03:16, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

• Support. There is no ambiguity. --the Dúnadan 03:09, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
• Support per WP:NC:CITY. The only user opposing this move is not opposing this move, but opposing the naming convention itself. We have a convention in place, it works, let's use it. Wilhelm meis (talk) 04:17, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

• Oppose - all cities have common names, and Mexicali is not the exception, when people type "Mexicali", it's going to send them to the article despite of the article's name, all American cities include the state whether they need it or not (ei. Los Angeles, California), and Mexico's ones should not be the exception since they also use that format. Supaman89 (talk) 01:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

• This is against the Mexican city naming convention in WP:NC:CITY. The name is unambiguous and does not require disambiguation. It should be noted that you unilaterally moved the Mexican city articles to the titles that have state names attached without going through the requested moves process. This simply seeks to reverse the undiscussed controversial move. --Polaron | Talk 01:25, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Whoever wrote that paragraph obviously ignored Mexico's format or just refused to put it correctly. Mexico uses the same format as the U.S. whether the city need disambiguation or not, to support the U.S. state inclusion but not that of any other country (in this case Mexico) is POV. Supaman89 (talk) 01:31, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

That's a somewhat disingenuous statement coming from you. That convention has been in place for years and has been followed by the city articles until you came along and moved all of the cities without formal discussion. This requested move simply seeks to undo your undiscussed controversial move. I went through the RM process to avoid a move war, which is what you should have done in the first place. --Polaron | Talk 01:36, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

But you keep basing your argument on a paragraph that someone (who didn’t care/know) wrote about Mexico’s cities format, don’t you think it’s POV to support the state inclusion in cities from your country even when they don’t need it, but you don’t support the same in other countries that also use the same format? isn’t that a bit biased? (we do it but you don’t)

BTW It’s not that I came along and started changing it, a lot of Mexican cities articles have always included the state, I’m just fixing the ones that did not. Supaman89 (talk) 01:46, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

The only ones that didn't have the state name were the ones that needed disambiguation. What proportion of the current number of city articles that have the state name were due to your unilateral moves? --Polaron | Talk 01:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

My preference? No, I’m fixing what the ones that don’t have the state because people kept reverting them to support their POVs, going back to my question, isn’t it hypocrite to say “Yeah I support the inclusion of the states of my country but not your”? if you think Mexicali, Baja California should be moved to Mexicali then you also should support that Little Rock, Arkansas should be moved to simply Little Rock. Supaman89 (talk) 02:07, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

1. If you want to change the naming convention for Mexican settlements, the place to discuss this is at WT:NC:CITY.
2. You are correct in saying that the convention for the U.S. is not the same as the convention for other locations. If you will take the trouble to look at the archives at WT:NC:CITY, you will see that this inconsistency has caused unhappiness and been the subject of much discussion.
3. If the convention for Mexico were to be changed to match the U.S., this would still not make the conventions consistent across countries. So, it would not avoid the problem.

Spacepotato (talk) 03:27, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

External links

Please, please remove external publicty links!: Mexicali Information Hotels, Maps, Weather and Activitie <-- publicty and Mexikali Homepage <--- this page doesnt even work and represents shameless self promotion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.171.187.124 (talk • contribs) 17:28, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Removing external newspaper links, again shameless promotion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.143.239.31 (talk) 02:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Removed

Removed the following links for shameless self promotion:

External links

Mexicali Information Hotels, Maps, Weather and Activities (English) Mexikali Homepage

Notable residents

• Salvador Vizcarra Schumm, writer <-- no one know who he is
• Meegs rascon
• Reik
• nikki clan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.143.109.137 (talk) 01:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Removed non-notable names with no articles, references. Also removed vandalism Such as "Daniel Guzman, Superhero". Furthermore, removed Americans actor who have never lived in Mexicali. Staying in a hotel doesn't make one a resident or native.--XLR8TION (talk) 00:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Silicon border

Although the content was edited, the say that silicon border is "dead" is a personal opinion. It is true that the international crisis tempered the enthusiasm for the project, but the Office of Silicon Border is still open and the Universities are also working to improve curricula taking this project in mind. I am not saying that Silicon border is a sure bet, but the person who wrote "it is dead" is only expressing its frustration and is not well informed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LydiaAC (talk • contribs) 14:04, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

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